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re: Comey’s dramatic account on Trump rocks Washington- Katie Williams of The Hill
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:08 am to fouldeliverer
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:08 am to fouldeliverer
Oh bullshite
Your fricking title says ir "rocks Washington"
Then you say "it just lays out a timeline"
You are just like the media
It is only "rocking" the anti trump innuendo pushers
Your fricking title says ir "rocks Washington"
Then you say "it just lays out a timeline"
You are just like the media
It is only "rocking" the anti trump innuendo pushers
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:10 am to fouldeliverer
What a bunch of figs to be "rocked" by this
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:18 am to fouldeliverer
I dont dispute anything Comey said. But what Comey has confirmed is a.) Trump was not under criminal investigation and he told him that explicitly so Trump didnt lie in his letter to Comey and b.) there is no grounds for obstruction here.
That is all I care about. How you run your meetings with female students and keeping your door open has little to do with how the preseidential office is ran. It is a terrible and offbeat analogy but nice try. If I were in Trumps position I cant say I would tell Comey anything different than what Trump allegedly told him. I lookout for me and if I believe I am and my people are innocent then I am batting for that.
Love how high and mighty everyone is when judging others in completely different situations. Let me ask you, for sake of terrible analogies, if you were accused of fondling a female student by a TA (simply accused) because for some reason this TA had it out for you. These allegations were being reviewed based on that TA's word would you not tell him that you expect those allegations be dropped? I bet you would have that conversation.
That is all I care about. How you run your meetings with female students and keeping your door open has little to do with how the preseidential office is ran. It is a terrible and offbeat analogy but nice try. If I were in Trumps position I cant say I would tell Comey anything different than what Trump allegedly told him. I lookout for me and if I believe I am and my people are innocent then I am batting for that.
Love how high and mighty everyone is when judging others in completely different situations. Let me ask you, for sake of terrible analogies, if you were accused of fondling a female student by a TA (simply accused) because for some reason this TA had it out for you. These allegations were being reviewed based on that TA's word would you not tell him that you expect those allegations be dropped? I bet you would have that conversation.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:19 am to Homesick Tiger
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There's the rub, an opinion.
I said it is not an opinionated article.
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Pretty sure most of us on the other side of your argument like dealing in facts. Let's say the fact is the timelining she espouses is right. The fact is, nothing illegal has been done.
Again, when did the article or I state that there was definitive illegal action? I didn't. I even wrote in a reply that I did not think an obstruction charge would come.
That's at issue here, this board gets so defensive about anything negative about Trump reading comprehension drops to zero and people just start reflexively attacking.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:21 am to gthog61
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Your fricking title says ir "rocks Washington"
Title's are always more click-baitish than article themselves and often not even chosen by the journalist who wrote the article. It may be slightly exaggerated but that is it.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:27 am to ChopBlockOclock
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But what Comey has confirmed is a.) Trump was not under criminal investigation and he told him that explicitly so Trump didnt lie in his letter to Comey and b.) there is no grounds for obstruction here.
For A, Comey did not do that.
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The testimony backs up the president’s claim that Comey had assured him on three separate occasions that he was not the target of the FBI’s counterintelligence probe. Comey said he made those assurances in person on Jan. 6 and 27, and again during the March 30 phone call.
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Still, Comey in his testimony was careful to note that “FBI counter-intelligence investigations are different than the more-commonly known criminal investigative work.” He also states that he resisted entreaties from Trump to state publicly that he was not under investigation “for a number of reasons, most importantly because it would create a duty to correct, should that change.” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein last month testified that the Russia investigation — now led by special counsel Robert Mueller — had become a criminal matter.
As far as B. It simply does not do that. Experts are taking different sides. Some say it does:
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William Yeomans, a 26-year veteran of the Justice Department and fellow at American University Law School, agreed that Comey's new testimony doesn't help the President.
"I think Comey's testimony contributes circumstantially to what is already clear obstruction of justice," Yeomans explained. "Here, the obstructor very unwisely announced his intent. His efforts to get Comey to back off of Flynn and his reported effort to get intelligence officials to intervene with the FBI provide further, unnecessary, support for his confession."
Some say it doesn't:
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"It is understandable that Comey would see this as inappropriate. That does not make it criminal," said Andrew McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who writes for the conservative National Review. "You can disagree with Trump's reasoning, but it is clearly not corrupt, which is the sine qua non of obstruction," McCarthy added. "Plus, to repeat, he did not order Comey to end the investigation. Pressuring a subordinate is not obstruction. Trump allowed Comey to continue exercising his discretion, though he did express hope about how that exercise would turn out."
How is it that difficult to just look at this objectively and say Trumps actions were inappropriate, and perhaps obstruction. Not clearly obstruction, mind you, but it is debatable.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:27 am to Sun God
Sadly, this pathetic grasping at straws will continue. There is no way to spin away the great day #45 had yesterday.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 6:28 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:34 am to fouldeliverer
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rocks
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riveting
People need to look these words up bc they don't know what they mean
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:37 am to fouldeliverer
Give it up. You leftists have lost. Your sham has been exposed.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:41 am to AU86
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Give it up. You leftists have lost. Your sham has been exposed.
Not a leftist, just someone who thinks Trump is a lying ignorant, incompetent conman who will severely damage the GOP and the country.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:43 am to fouldeliverer
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this board gets so defensive about anything negative about Trump
It's been a nonstop smear campaign since he became the GOP front runner, from all of the establishment. Saying we are defensive is just absurd and means we shouldn't entertain anything you say.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:48 am to fouldeliverer
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I said it is not an opinionated article.
You're right, my apology.
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Again, when did the article or I state that there was definitive illegal action? I didn't. I even wrote in a reply that I did not think an obstruction charge would come.
So why are you making a mountain out of a mole hill then?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:49 am to uway
Go right ahead. Sorry I violated your safe space.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:52 am to fouldeliverer
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Comey acknowledgedthat he did not take such notes about his meetings with former President Barack Obama, though he said he only met alone with him twice, compared with “nine one-on-one conversations” with Trump in four months.
It's situations such as this which shows which gives the perception that Trump is either extremely ignorant of traditional political procedure, naive or dirty. The President shouldn't be having nine one on one meetings with the head of the FBI. Because whether or not Trump did anything wrong, perceptually it isn't beneficial. Additionally, later events seem to justify Comey's interpretation of that January event.
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Why can't we analyze acts in isolation, what is this boards obsession with whataboutism?
One of your most "damning" points is based of exactly what you want people NOT to do?
Your logic is weak. Your comprehension is low. Your hypocrisy is high. Your argument is empty.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:52 am to Homesick Tiger
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So why are you making a mountain out of a mole hill then?
I'm not really, it is super defensive posters who keep twisting what the post was about. Trump showed poor judgement in my opinion and I think this does some damage to him politically as the perception of things isn't good. It doesn't establish obstruction or completely dismiss it. That's all.
This is a "mountain" because of the vociferous nature of everyone crying "melt bitch" and not comprehending what the rather middle of the road take I have.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 6:59 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:58 am to Floating Change Up
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One of your most "damning" points is based of exactly what you want people NOT to do?
That is not an example of whataboutism
Where did I say that was one of my most damning points lol.
That is one sentence from a several long excerpts. I wouldn't rank as particularly damning at all (as far as possible obstruction). I stated that it doesn't mean that the meetings were nefarious, but that it showed poor judgement because of the perception. I think that it is damaging in the sense that Trump would have benefited from witnesses at those meetings and was a rather incompetent decision.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 6:58 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:58 am to fouldeliverer
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Go right ahead. Sorry I violated your safe space
This is just beyond childish. Reprehensible behavior from your side, without fail. I should not expect anything different from a bunch of amoral center-of-the-world nihilists, but I'm an enteral optimist.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:00 am to fouldeliverer
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He also states that he resisted entreaties from Trump to state publicly that he was not under investigation “for a number of reasons, most importantly because it would create a duty to correct, should that change.”
Wow, what an arse
how hard is it to be truthful today over being political because the future may change things and "I might have to re-track my earlier comments because new facts came to my attention and thus changed things"
Trump called him a nut job because he has nothing to hide and he isn't going to stand there and let the media have a free for all everyday over a fabrication.
Dang, this make my butt hurt.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:06 am to fouldeliverer
This whole thing comes across as nothing more than Trump wanting Comey to state publicly what he was privately told in order to clear things up in regards to Trump personally.
It's not unreasonable
It's not unreasonable
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:07 am to fouldeliverer
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He also states that he resisted entreaties from Trump to state publicly that he was not under investigation “for a number of reasons, most importantly because it would create a duty to correct, should that change
I am not a Trump supporter but that is absolutely ridiculous. Comey thought that something has to be an eternal truth for it to be reported? Comey couldn't say, "at this time President Trump is not under investigation" then if something changes come back and say "President Trump is now under investigation for xxx"?
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