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Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:22 am to Ag Zwin
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because nothing I have heard is an impeachable offense.
This is where the voting public is supposed to keep an out of control House of Reps in check.
So many people are misinformed about Impeachment however. There is no criminal statute or bar that has to be met for Impeachment...it can be whatever as long as it gets 218 votes in the House. Bottom line, that's the only bar to be met. It is a political beast and as we can witness presently, it can be weaponized as such. Wasn't intended to be but I don't think most folks figured the process would ever run the risk of being abused like it is being abused today.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:23 am to Ag Zwin
You don’t have to prove innocence. The burden of proof falls on the party making the accusations, (acquisitions for those of you in BR)
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:25 am to Ag Zwin
The premise of the question should be ignored - nobody has to prove an allegation false - not one ounce of effort should ever be devoted to prove someones nightmare didn't really happen.
It is up to the maker of the allegation to provide the rationale for the allegation. Failing that they can go fart in a wrhilwind.
But this is the corral our nation has been herded into - some wild-eyed allegation of 'how we interpret to be your motives for what you did' blurted out by someone who hates your guts and has already lied thousands of times in past allegations that have been proven false, and spend there entire existence rooting around in your garbage pile sniffing at used toilet tissue to try to "discern" whether or not they "think" you may have wiped your arse in a non-procedurally-approved fashion.
Just ask them if they can PROVE they didn't rape that little girl, - don't tell them who/what/when/where it may or may no have happened = "Just prove it COULD NOT HAVE BEEN YOU!!!!" And we will decide in secret whether or not we believe any explanation you put forth - mostly we will just call it OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!!
It is up to the maker of the allegation to provide the rationale for the allegation. Failing that they can go fart in a wrhilwind.
But this is the corral our nation has been herded into - some wild-eyed allegation of 'how we interpret to be your motives for what you did' blurted out by someone who hates your guts and has already lied thousands of times in past allegations that have been proven false, and spend there entire existence rooting around in your garbage pile sniffing at used toilet tissue to try to "discern" whether or not they "think" you may have wiped your arse in a non-procedurally-approved fashion.
Just ask them if they can PROVE they didn't rape that little girl, - don't tell them who/what/when/where it may or may no have happened = "Just prove it COULD NOT HAVE BEEN YOU!!!!" And we will decide in secret whether or not we believe any explanation you put forth - mostly we will just call it OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!!!
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:28 am to Ag Zwin
quote:If by “it” you mean asking for a favor, he did. If by “it” you mean ordered Executive Branch not to cooperate further than the documents sent, that’s accurate. If by “it” you mean withheld funds to Ukraine, he did temporarily.
MY POINT, though, is that EVEN IF it were all true, it's still not an impeachable offense
There are perfectly reasonable explanations for all the above, especially if one truly believes they’ve been the target of a coup attempt. Can your friend PROVE that the President was not approaching this from that perspective with the needs of the U.S. in mind?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:32 am to PsychTiger
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My advise is for you sign off twitter and never sign back on. Problem solved.
This.
Most of them are trying to justify their position based on what they believe President Trump is thinking. It's funny when it comes to POTUS, they're all doctors, foreign policy experts, and now mind readers. Then again when you believe in fantasy land utopia socialist bullshite I guess you overestimate your abilities too.
My most favorite of all is the following quote:
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I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.
How many times have you said to someone casually "hey, do me a favor" when asking for something and not expecting something in return. I ask my oldest that sometimes when I need him to help me. "Hey son, do me a favor and go get that screwdriver over there". Liberals act as if you use the phrase "do me a favor" there is an absolute condition attached to it.
Then it's followed up in the transcript:
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Whatever you can do, it's very important tha you do it if that's possible.
That doesn't seem like a demand. "Whatever you can do" "if that's possible". There isn't anything saying you must or you will do this for that.
Oh but the meeting you say, there was a tit for tat for an announcement for a meeting. Well they discuss a meeting:
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Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.
Reading that it doesn't seem to be any condition on that. It looks like an open invitation. He's asking Pres. Zelensky to coordinate a state visit and is looking forward to seeing the man.
One dumbass tried to say "Trump wanted a video for a campaign ad" when nobody has said anything about that. The MSM would have had a field day had that ever been mentioned.
This is nothing more than using the flimsiest of excuses to remove a sitting president because they don't like him. It's ironic how they all felt Trump would never accept the results and yet here we are three years later with them still screaming at the sky:
Orange......
Man....
Baaaaaaaaaad.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:33 am to Ag Zwin
........read the transcripts! Then decide for yourself if the President is guilty of the b/s the democrats are accusing him of.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:33 am to Oddibe
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The burden of proof falls on the party making the accusations,
The standard for Impeachment isn't even this high. Just look at present times. The Dems haven't proven shite! The only burden of anything is their getting 218 "ayes" then Trump is Impeached. Of course there's more that follows but Impeachment in and of itself only requires the votes to pass , regardless of how phony the charges are.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:36 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It is the burden of the accusers to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt
All that needs to be said.
It’s not the other way, as much as Dems/libs want it to be.
Dems/libs/MSM and anyone with TDS, have combined “political / public perception” with the justice system. Kavanaugh hearing is all that needs to be viewed to prove it.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:40 am to Crimson1st
quote:and that is why Turley warned/enlightened the Dems during his testimony......moving forward with this impeachment opens the door for impeachment preceding against any future president when the opposition party is in control because they just feel like it.
standard for Impeachment isn't even this high. Just look at present times. The Dems haven't proved shite! The only burden of anything is their getting 218 "ayes" then Trump is Impeached. Of course there's more that follows but Impeachment in and of itself only requires the votes to pass , regardless of how phony the charges are.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:41 am to Ag Zwin
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"Can you prove anything Trump has been accused of is false?"Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:06 am
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Got this question in a Twitter spat.
Should have told them this is not a court in Soviet Russia.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:42 am to Crimson1st
I see where you're coming from, but at a minimum there must be a formal accusation of treason, bribery, or other "high Crimes and misdemeanors".
Then I guess you're technically correct, there could be a full House vote with nothing else said or done in connection with the allegation(s).
Then I guess you're technically correct, there could be a full House vote with nothing else said or done in connection with the allegation(s).
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:49 am to Ag Zwin
its generally understood that you and your significant other have strange sex and the holy roller church you go to is going to kick you out.
prove that is not happening
prove that is not happening
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:54 am to Ag Zwin
That's not how Due Process works. The person you are Twitter-spatting with is showing their bias against Trump, their ignorance of our legal system having the presumption of innocence or both.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to Ag Zwin
Level an outrageous accusation at the twat twittering, then tell them to prove they didn't do it.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:00 am to TigerTattle
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Level an outrageous accusation at the twat twittering, then tell them to prove they didn't do it.
Accuse them of working for DNC or Russian bot, on twitter, just to tarnish Trump and influence the election. Then prove they aren’t!
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:13 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:02 am to Ag Zwin
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Can you prove anything Trump has been accused of is false?
I can’t. Can you prove anything Trump has been accused of is illegal?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:03 am to Ag Zwin
The Pumpkin subverted the will of Congress.
That’s an abuse of Executive Branch power.
Sorry.
That’s an abuse of Executive Branch power.
Sorry.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:03 am to Ag Zwin
I half expect these people to demand we tie cinder blocks around the accused ankles and toss them in a river to prove they arent witches and wont float.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:03 am to VOR
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The Pumpkin subverted the will of Congress.
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