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CIA asset Peter Zeihan explains why every prediction he’s made for months was wrong

Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:33 am
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:33 am


Tbh I haven’t even watched it yet but I’m sure it is so rich


ETA

This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:36 am
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:33 am to
Responding just to come back and watch.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:35 am to
i like peter for his outlandish predictions on china and Europe, but he was obviously well off on his election prediction. he's been saying that trump would lose for almost a year now.

now his stuff on demography and economics tends to make sense for other countries, though.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476287 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:36 am to
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explains why every prediction he’s made for months was wrong

Glad I don't have those problems.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:37 am to
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i like peter for his outlandish predictions on china and Europe, but he was obviously well off on his election prediction.


So why should he be believed on the former?

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now his stuff on demography and economics tends to make sense for other countries, though.


Why do you think he has credibility? Because he speaks assertively and confidently? Because I think he’s a complete fraud and makes a living making utter fabrications.
Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:38 am to
I remember his days at STRATFOR with George Friedman. Pretty astute with geo-politics. STRATFOR still is very solid regarding geo-political strategic forecasting.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:46 am to
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he's been saying that trump would lose for almost a year now.


He said that vs Biden. He has a few videos where he says "all bets are off if he doesn't make it". That came to fruition



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So why should he be believed on the former?


As far as depopulation there are plenty of other sources and data that support that. Plenty of other issues that the jury is out on and I am sure we can find plenty he was wrong about. The thing about geopolitics is that it has so many variables it is damn easy to be wrong
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 8:49 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298383 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:47 am to
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He said that vs Biden. He has a few videos where he says "all bets are off if he doesn't make it".


Correct.

I said the day Kamala was announced it was over. I think most people shared that sentiment.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17644 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:47 am to
I don’t even understand how this guy became some person we should even listen to? He has a soothing voice, but other than that, how did he become some foreign policy expert that we should all listen to?
Posted by The Egg
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:48 am to
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He said that vs Biden. He has a few videos where he says "all bets are off if he doesn't make it". That came to fruition
that is true
Posted by Pezzo
Member since Aug 2020
2999 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:49 am to
"you have to admit that he is older now than when joe biden became president. The chance of Donald Trump serving an entire term without loosing his mind is vanishingly small"


oh now we're worried about presidents age and mental acuity.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23653 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:50 am to
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i like peter for his outlandish predictions on china and Europe, but he was obviously well off on his election prediction. he's been saying that trump would lose for almost a year now.

now his stuff on demography and economics tends to make sense for other countries, though.


I used to watch him, but he's been predicting a Chinese economic collapse for a couple of years..... I don't watch anymore.
Some of those geopolitical "experts" are about as good as weather forecasts with their predictions.
Posted by OBReb6
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Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:52 am to
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He said that vs Biden. He has a few videos where he says "all bets are off if he doesn't make it". That came to fruition


Democrat internal polling had Biden losing 400EVs to Trump. Why the hell do you think they ousted him? “Hurr Biden dropped out so it threw off the prediction!”

Clown

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As far as depopulation there are plenty of other sources and data that support that. Plenty of other issues that the jury is out on and I am sure we can find plenty he was wrong about. The thing about geopolitics is that it has so many variables it is damn easy to be wrong


The primary problem with any of this is it ignores any given nation’s ability to reverse or adapt to trends. There’s a bunch of other problems as well.

Excuse me if I have my doubts that Russia and China are going to completely collapse in the next couple of decades because a guy with a man bun confidently asserts that they will.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:53 am to
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I don’t even understand how this guy became some person we should even listen to? He has a soothing voice, but other than that, how did he become some foreign policy expert that we should all listen to?


The geopolitical Sam Harris
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10698 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:53 am to
He’s been reliable regarding Russia-Ukraine….
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:55 am to
I need backup for his assertion that Trump said Independents don't matter in 2022 and for that it was the reason why 2022 was not the red wave it was supposed to be.

Peter Zion is rewriting history like the "all" do who what to protect the institutionalists.

The 2022 red wave did not happen because congressional leadership from Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell spent heavily in congressional GOP primaries against congressional MAGA opponents and the general election came around McCarthy and McConnell did not help these GOP MAGA candidates with their campaign war chest. In fact, the narrative from establishment Republicans and the Trump hating media is that Trump didn't spend enough money to help these candidates. No presidential candidate in U.S. history has ever been held to the standard that they should spend their campaign money on down ballot candidates, especially while fighting Lawfare expenses.

But this time was different.

For the first time in U.S. history it was the fault of a presidential candidate for not spending enough money on down ballot GOP MAGA candidates rather than the National Republican Senatorial Committee (McConnell) and the National Republican Congressional Committee (McCarthy) not spending campaign money on these candidates to get them elected.

Oh, and add in Lindsey Graham's dumbass proposal for a national abortion ban to energize the left...stupid arse Graham.

Peter Zion is a fraud.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4191 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:57 am to
He’s a douche
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37451 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:57 am to
When he wades into the domestic political landscape meaning elections he's way out of his lane. He's more at home in forecasting geopolitical trends on a broad scale.

His insights on demographics is interesting as it applies to Russia/ Europe / China .
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14222 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:58 am to
I do listen to him on i ternational stuff, he has a lot of good information. His off-the-cuff knowledge of virtually every supply chain is pretty damn impressive.


I think he spends so much time in colorado and think tank bubble though, hes pretty disconnected from reality in terms of how people are doing here at home in real life.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 9:00 am
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
24833 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 8:58 am to
I think Zeihan is an interesting listen but I think he makes insane predictions that when you step back and look at the overall net result you think “hmm, the logic is there but I just don’t see that outcome coming true.”
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