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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:33 am to Padme
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:33 am to Padme
The idea that Biden was anti-Christian is absurd on its face. Just more rhetoric built on suggestion and emotion, not fact. Sort of like Trump’s drumbeat of America being weak and not great.
It’s the same recipe used by autocratic populists for much of the 20th Century. People are easily duped by snake oil salesmen. P. T. Barnum, sadly, was a visionary…
It’s the same recipe used by autocratic populists for much of the 20th Century. People are easily duped by snake oil salesmen. P. T. Barnum, sadly, was a visionary…
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Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:39 am to BarnHater
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There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump. He puts God above all else.
The man who hired a female "faith advisor" who is a long-established grifter? If you're in the market you can buy a few "blessings" from her. I don't know if Donald gets a cut of the blessings sales, though.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:43 am to L.A.
quote:Yes, he told those who sought to justify themselves according to the law that they had to keep the law perfectly, which they could not do.
Jesus was asked 3 times in the gospels what someone had to do to inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19, Luke 10, Luke 18). Jesus gave the same answer all 3 times. Do you remember what his answer was?
What about all the times just in John that Jesus said to believe in Him (not do good works) for salvation?
John 3:15–16, 18, 36; 5:24; 6:29, 35, 40, 47; 7:38; 8:24; 11:25-26; 12:36, 46; 20:31.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:44 am to BamaSaint
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While all of that may be true, minus the faith in God=Christianity, why is the Department of State talking about religion? If Biden shouldn't do it, neither should Trump.
5 down votes, no responses on why our government should be getting into religious shite
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:49 am to masoncj
quote:Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear -Ephesians 4:29
“Cusses like a sailor”. lol
Buddy you don’t even know what a sin is because you make up your own theology.
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. -Ephesians 5:4
But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth -Colossians 3:8
That doesn’t even speak to his blasphemy (3rd commandment)
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:52 am to Padme
There are a lot of CINOs in America. They generally follow other CHINOs and not Christ Jesus.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 11:56 am to FooManChoo
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Jesus was asked 3 times in the gospels what someone had to do to inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19, Luke 10, Luke 18). Jesus gave the same answer all 3 times. Do you remember what his answer was?
Yes, he told those who sought to justify themselves according to the law that they had to keep the law perfectly, which they could not do.
I hope you didn't injure yourself doing those mental contortions.
Jesus was asked the same direct, unambiguous question on 3 occasions and each time he gave the same direct, unambiguous answer. Your theological presuppositions prevent you from seeing what is right on front of you.
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What about all the times just in John that Jesus said to believe in Him (not so good works) for salvation?
Not JUST in John. ONLY in John.
From Grace Evangelical Society:
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The Synoptic Gospels do not explicitly teach salvation by faith alone. Instead, they emphasize the importance of works and obedience to God's commandments. The Gospels present a complex view of salvation, where faith and works are intertwined. While the Synoptics do not directly state that faith alone is sufficient for salvation, they do indicate that faith is a crucial component of the process.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
Foo, faith absent of good works is nothing more than hollow faith... I'll just leave it at that.
I wonder though where is the evidence of Trump's piety and humility. The argument that God uses rakes and non believers to advance his will seems like a justification for bad behavior....so long as those behaviors may indirectly favor believers....i.e. Christians
I'm always suspect of any political leader that claims or has people claim that he is being favored by God .
I wonder though where is the evidence of Trump's piety and humility. The argument that God uses rakes and non believers to advance his will seems like a justification for bad behavior....so long as those behaviors may indirectly favor believers....i.e. Christians
I'm always suspect of any political leader that claims or has people claim that he is being favored by God .
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:33 pm to L.A.
quote:I think you are the one relying on traditions rather than the word of God here.
Jesus was asked the same direct, unambiguous question on 3 occasions and each time he gave the same direct, unambiguous answer. Your theological presuppositions prevent you from seeing what is right on front of you.
In Matthew 19, the narrative starts with the rich man asking a question: “ Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” He assumed his works would be enough to save him, so Jesus told him to keep all the law. He started with the second table, to which the man said he kept. Jesus thus showed him he couldn’t keep the fist commandment by pointing out his possessions were his God that he couldn’t part with.
In Luke 10, a lawyer asked Jesus what someone must do to inherit eternal life, to which Jesus asked what the law said. The lawyer summarized the 10 commandments and Jesus told him that was correct: if he kept the law, he would be saved. Just like the rich ruler, Jesus was pointing out that the requirements of the law were perfect obedience, and the lawyer was seeking to justify himself by the law (v 29). Jesus showed him that he didn’t understand the law by showing him that his “neighbor” was all men, not just fellow Jews. The lawyer’s attempt to justify himself by the law was shown to be futile, just like the rich young ruler.
Luke 18 was the same story as Matthew 19.
quote:Is John not part of the Bible? Do we exclude John? The epistles speak to sola fide very clearly, and John supports that perspective.
Not JUST in John. ONLY in John.
However, Mark 2:5 shows that Faith was the basis of the forgiveness offered. That Faith was proved by the works. Likewise in Luke 7:50, when Jesus told the woman her faith has saved her. Her faith was proved by her works. Likewise in Luke 18:10-14, where the Pharisee sought to be justified by his works but the tax collector was justified by his humble faith. Matthew 9:22 also shows this with the woman with the bloody discharge being saved by her faith.
So no, it isn’t just John, but you can’t exclude John’s abundant evidence of this while clinging to 2 stories (1 repeated twice) where Jesus was actually showing the foolishness of those who thought they could keep the law for their salvation.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:42 pm to FooManChoo
lol
And again your goibg to the arbiter of what is “foolish talk” or “crude”
What is a sin my friend is to “curse” someone and wish them ill will in speech.
That said Trump is probably guilty of that along with every other human being so I will give you that.
But if you think using cussing words like f**k is a sin I cant help you.
As a reminder Paul makes plenty of recommendations like remaining celibate and women covering their hair at Mass as well.
Some believers follow his advice others don’t
And again your goibg to the arbiter of what is “foolish talk” or “crude”
What is a sin my friend is to “curse” someone and wish them ill will in speech.
That said Trump is probably guilty of that along with every other human being so I will give you that.
But if you think using cussing words like f**k is a sin I cant help you.
As a reminder Paul makes plenty of recommendations like remaining celibate and women covering their hair at Mass as well.
Some believers follow his advice others don’t
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:43 pm to KiwiHead
quote:I agree entirely. Saving faith is one that trusts in Jesus, not just intellectually assents to facts about Him. I can believe that a parachute will save me while I'm standing firmly on the ground because I know, intellectually, that that's what the purpose of the parachute is, but that's different than trusting that the parachute will save me when I'm standing at the door of an airplane a few thousand feet in the air. One type of "faith" is intellectual only, while another is a full trust.
Foo, faith absent of good works is nothing more than hollow faith... I'll just leave it at that.
A true and saving faith is evidenced by good works. James 2 speaks to this and Paul speaks to this especially in Romans.
Those who claim that Christians can live a lawless life do not know the scriptures. The issue is not whether good works are required, but how they are required. Catholics teach they are required as a basis for justification while Protestants believe (at least historically) that they are a required evidence of justification. In other words, I believe what Jesus said in that a good tree (made good by the work of the Spirit) will produce good fruits (works). Faith and works go together, but only faith in Christ saves.
quote:I agree. His mention of God is almost always generic, which is what all politicians say. Christians are committed to the name of Jesus Christ as Lord, not just God generally.
I wonder though where is the evidence of Trump's piety and humility. The argument that God uses rakes and non believers to advance his will seems like a justification for bad behavior....so long as those behaviors may indirectly favor believers....i.e. Christians
I'm always suspect of any political leader that claims or has people claim that he is being favored by God .
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:48 pm to masoncj
You can disagree with me all you like but don’t claim I’m making up theology. My interpretation of those passages is historical, and it seems that you don’t even disagree, but are basing your application of it in other passages that seem to be cultural.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 12:55 pm to FooManChoo
James 2:17-26 KJV
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:03 pm to BR92
quote:That is a wonderful passage that speaks to how a true, saving faith brought about by the work of the Spirt of God is differentiated from a general and intellectual assent to truths about God, as even the demons have, and that saving faith will be proven by good works flowing from a changed heart that trusts in the work of Christ on their behalf.
James 2:17-26 KJV
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:05 pm to BarnHater
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There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump. He puts God above all else.
is this performance art at this point?
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:16 pm to Padme
It concerns me we have a president thinking about how he gets into heaven instead of making our country and world a better place... That's some cult shite...
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:18 pm to oklahogjr
Then you fail to understand the importance of moral absolutes and where that morality comes from
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:18 pm to KiwiHead
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The argument that God uses rakes and non believers to advance his will seems like a justification for bad behavior....so long as those behaviors may indirectly favor believers....i.e. Christians
God explicitly uses non-believers in the Bible regularly. It's not an argument at all. It's just reality.
This post was edited on 9/6/25 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:19 pm to OWLFAN86
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Then you fail to understand the importance of moral absolutes and where that morality comes from
Morality as always has been a mans invention it far predates the Christian religion anyways.
Posted on 9/6/25 at 1:20 pm to oklahogjr
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It concerns me we have a president thinking about how he gets into heaven instead of making our country and world a better place... That's some cult shite...
This thought process is what created the greatest country in the history of the world, the USA. Getting away from this mindset led to where we are today.
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