re: China: "If War is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff/trade war, or any other type of War

Let us not forget where Covid came from.

frick China.

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The U.S., not anyone else, is responsible for the #FentanylCrisis inside the U.S.

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Am I wrong to agree with this? It’s not solely on China. Democrat policies allowed this to happen. It could have been any number of nations to capitalize on it. It just so happen to be China and Mexico who were allowed to run their cartel here.

China is already at war with the US. Every Ukraine Bro out there is engaged in treason against our country. The biggest lever we can pull against China is to pull Russia toward the west and away from China. China cannot survive an alliance between Russia and the US. If we jointly secure Vietnam, Cambodia, PI, similar nations, and protect them from Chinese control, then the asian manufacturing conduit can be preserved. Similar cooperation can take place in Africa.

Additionally, it's Russia that has influence in North Korea, far above China. North Korea is a brand new manufacturing center just waiting to be opened up. They don't even have electricity or food in NK. Imagine if the US and Russia teamed up to deliver food and energy to NK in exchange for de-nuking the place and bringing in manufacturing to feed Russia and the US with cheap goods.

China had a role in covid and they are now working with the cartels. Name them state sponsors of terrorism. Give Russia some great deals, buy tons of their oil to refill the SPR, remove sanctions, create an alliance and put the screws to China. Also, let Japan build its military (this was forbidden after WWII). They will serve as a potent obstacle to China.

The thing is, Russia knows it can't trust China. It sees how China has decided to wage war on the US and Russia knows China will do the same to Russia eventually. But because of idiots like Lindsey Graham, Russia has been pushed in China's direction. We have to get dipshits like Graham out of Congress.

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The American consumer would flinch before the Chinese do.

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This is from an industry publication that I believe you need to be a member of to access so no point in linking it but here ya go:

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The office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) has proposed implementing fees of up to $1.5 million on Chinese-made ships entering U.S. ports. The proposal is part of the USTR’s investigation, which initially began in 2024 and has been conducted under Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974, into China’s dominance in the global shipping sector. The funds collected through these fees would be used to subsidize the U.S. shipbuilding industry.

The initial results of the investigation preempting this proposal were announced on January 17, a few days before Donald Trump’s inauguration as president.

An initial study, prepared by Trade Partnership Worldwide, on the ramifications of such actions show that any benefit to domestic shipbuilding would have to be balanced against negative effects on the broader economy.
The projections suggest that it would reduce the U.S. GDP, decrease exports by 2.1% and bring down imports by 0.7%.

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These developments would potentially coincide with proposed and already implemented tariffs placed by the Trump administration, signaling the onset of an international trade war. The collisions of multiple factors such as these could have significant impacts on the global supply chain.
Shipping companies may theoretically divert vessels to Canada and Mexico to avoid massive fees, which would rely on U.S. businesses to require trucking or rail routes for shipments. To make matters more complicated, President Donald Trump also recently announced 25% tariffs on imports coming from both countries.
Jonathan Gold, vice president of supply chain and customs policy at the National Retail Federation, says that an implementation of such policies would have clear cost-rising ramifications.

“The proposed remedies from USTR in the Section 301 China Shipbuilding investigation are far reaching,” Gold told PPAI Media. “The fines assessed to the ocean carriers will only be passed along to their customers, U.S. importers and exporters. The carriers will incur multi-million dollars’ worth of fines since vessels don’t only arrive at one U.S. port as part of their sailing. “This could result in hundreds of dollars of additional costs per container for importers and exporters. It could also result in significant changes to carrier sailings as they may look to just avoid U.S. ports because of the fees. The proposed remedies will not help resolve deficiencies in U.S. shipbuilding which have existed for decades.”

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Our lives as consumers and as businesses are changing and costs are going up up up.

Cut the shipments of grain…. They cannot replace what they consume from us…

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I'll bet that's not true.

If you go to the doctor for just about anything, chances are they used some product imported from China to treat you, even if it was just a pair of latex gloves.

Surgical instruments, medical tubing, respirators, C-Pap equipment, syringes, needles, medical masks, just about anything medical made with plastic—anything from oxygen masks to plastic tubing to surgical mesh to DMEs to anything you can think of—comes from China.

You may be healthy as a horse and not need any of that stuff currently, but one car accident or unexpected heart attack and your statement might literally be false.

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I bet all of that stuff can easily be made here.

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Bring it, MFers.

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Sounds to me like they will. We'll see if Americans have the economic stomach for it.

It's charming when I hear people say "There is nothing China produces that I couldn't do with out".

I challenge these same people to take an inventory of everything in their home, and then as a matter of principle get rid of all things made in China. Afterwards, take another inventory and see just how much shite they have left over.

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Cut the shipments of grain…. They cannot replace what they consume from us…

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And then we have war.

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Am I wrong to agree with this? It’s not solely on China. Democrat policies allowed this to happen.

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Not wrong at all. Dems leaving the border wide open and hamstringing ICE and border patrol from doing their jobs definitely increased the severity of the crisis exponentially.