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re: China: "If War is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff/trade war, or any other type of War

Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:25 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13574 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:25 pm to
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I bet all of that stuff can easily be made here.


I'm not in manufacturing so i don't know how long it takes to build all the factories and install and calibrate all the machinery necessary to do that, but I feel safe with the answer, "Not in the short term it can't."

Not to mention, I don't know you saw it upthread, but it's not just medical supplies and equipment we get from China. We also get the factory machinery to do things like make medical equipment from China.

So the factories to make the actual medical equipment would literally have to wait on us to build and tool and die factories to make the factory equipment necessary to make the medical equipment.

Not only that, but we also import heavy construction equipment like excavators and wheel loaders from China.

So long term we'd have to start making those too if we wanted to all of a sudden build a bunch of factories to make all of this stuff that China currently makes.

So that's MORE factories we'd have to make before we could make the construction equipment so that we could build the factories to make the factory equipment so that we could build and equip the factories to make the medical equipment.

And FINALLY, even if we spent 10 years doing all of that, we'd never be able to do it for anywhere near the cost that they do.

The average Chinese factory worker makes around $6.75 an hour.

The average American factory worker makes around $17 an hour.

So even if we did all of that we'd be paying between 1 1/2 and 2 times what we pay for that stuff now.

Much better to just pay the tariffs Trump is imposing on the American people and keep importing Chinese stuff if those are the only choices.

Populists seemingly never stop to do the math.
Posted by Stonehenge
Wakulla Springs
Member since Dec 2014
2685 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:38 pm to
And our Secretary of Defense is a drunken fool
Posted by TigerSooner
Member since Nov 2023
3634 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:42 pm to
We just gotta remind them that we are perfectly capable of repeating August 1945 if they really wanna play.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:43 pm to
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We are also playing the FAFO game.


Its like a reality show.
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
4715 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:44 pm to
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And our Secretary of Defense is a drunken fool


Found the MSNBC viewer
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 5:45 pm
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1933 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:46 pm to
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We could starve China out pretty easily


They make must of our prescription drugs. Do they could jest let us die.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
4199 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:47 pm to
The Chinese government is evil, oppressive, and deserves much of the blame for the COVID epidemic. They should be paying us reparations.

That said, messing with China is big leagues. Better hope Trump and team play this right.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:50 pm to
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Trump’s aggression has huge risks.
No TBoy.
However, a $37T Nat'l Debt sure as hell carries huge risks.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4293 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:52 pm to
We need a giant asteroid to go ahead and smack earth. Mother needs a reset. Humans can’t save themselves from themselves.
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
8368 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:53 pm to
China doesn’t have any military experience. Need to do a first strike, just go all out and wipe them out with the quickness before they even figure out they’re being attacked.

I wouldn’t want to face them once they get some military experience (eg taking Taiwan)
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26730 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:56 pm to
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I'm not in manufacturing so i don't know how long it takes to build all the factories and install and calibrate all the machinery necessary to do that, but I feel safe with the answer, "Not in the short term it can't."


China has competitors that make many of those things that would LOVE to take the US market from them.. countries friendlier to us

We have options..
Posted by FrontlineTiger
Member since Aug 2024
933 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 5:59 pm to
Hope we can manufacture drones 100% with US parts or them having no battlefield experience is neutralized
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8771 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:00 pm to
I miss the old days when China would call Americans "running dogs imperialists."
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:01 pm to
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"If War is what the U.S. wants, be it a tariff/trade war, or any other type of War we’re ready to fight till the end."
Lin Jian puts out big talk for such a little man
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42452 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:01 pm to
This is only going to help Made In The USA.

Plus…China can’t feed their population. They are going to starve their people again.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:11 pm to
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And then we have war


Buckle up pussy. Appeasement has worked so well for us…
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3682 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:11 pm to
These Chinese guys are cucks, They have been doing this shyyte for years and now that we cal them on it they act indignant……

From now on no more Panda Express food purchases…. That will fix them

I think Panda Express uses seed oil for frying anyway. RFK jr may have something to say about this……

Better watch out or Temu is next/,,,,,,
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 6:13 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42452 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:15 pm to
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Better watch out or Temu is next/,,,,,,


That would be like jet fuel for small businesses here.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:31 pm to
If Truman hadn’t been such a giant pussy we wouldn’t be dealing with those little bastards today. Should have nuked them to the stone ages.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15060 posts
Posted on 3/4/25 at 6:33 pm to
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We don't just buy crap from China. We buy agricultural products, computers, lithium-ion batteries, smartphones, nuclear reactors, boilers and other expensive large machinery, lots and lots and lots of stuff made from plastic (which can be anything from a cheap child's toy to a high-end piece of biomedical equipment—we import A LOT of medical equipment from China), video game consoles (although I don't consider that loss a negative—I think having fewer of those would probably raise the collective IQ of the country by 5 points).
And exactly why we are weaker. We farmed out production to other countries, like China, to satisfy our consumer addiction. All of those things can be produced here. Ford has plants in Mexico. Taiwan is biggest producer of semiconductors. Apple, and American company, makes their phones in China. All comes down to cheap labor.

That being said, China has a big problem feeding it's population. A small cut to food imports there, is a big arse problem for them.
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