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re: Children of Military born overseas not considered to be American at birth
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
U.S. armed forces stationed abroad are not considered to be residing in the United States for acquisition of citizenship.
This is exactly what I said. This reads to me as a child born overseas doesn't have to be considered residing in the United States while overseas for birthright citizenship.
quote:
Therefore, U.S. citizen parents who are residing outside the United States with children who are not U.S. citizens should apply for U.S. citizenship on behalf of their children under INA 3228,
This is most likely in reference to non citizens serving or service members who adopt children from other countries while overseas who are not citizens. If you are born to two American Citizens while on orders in a foreign country that child is a Citizen of the United States.
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I totally get what you're saying and admit the language on the USCIS page is not clear. The USCIS page seems to say this won't affect service member's children but the language in the actual "Policy Alert" seem to directly contradict that.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:27 pm to momentoftruth87
quote:
Truth, but if you dont think the military will fix this or screen, or have programs put in place, you're being naive. Not saying it isn't a hassle, but the military thing will get taken care of.
The Pentagon already put out a statement
Saying they are working on getting this clarified
People are already freaking out as word hits bases
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:27 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Dude, even NBC says you are wrong. They were repeating your bs interpretation and were forced to correct it
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
NBC says you are wrong
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:30 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Is it really a "BS interpretation" when so many read it that way?
The "Policy Alert" was extremely contradictory to what they are saying the change actually is.
The "Policy Alert" was extremely contradictory to what they are saying the change actually is.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
That’s why I said it needs to be clarified
Also being stationed overseas isn’t being deployed
fricking NBC
Also being stationed overseas isn’t being deployed
fricking NBC
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:38 pm to 9Fiddy
quote:IDK, but my son was born in a German hospital (we lived too far from an American military hospital) and he was still a citizen at birth.
I may be mistaken, but don't those bases have the same rules as embassies where they are considered American soil?
I'm sure a clarified statement will be released soon so I'll wait until then to get upset either way.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:41 pm to Redleg Guy
quote:Only if they are a 13 series.
Is this worded poorly or is it really disadvantaging active duty military assigned overseas?
:running:
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:42 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
IDK, but my son was born in a German hospital (we lived too far from an American military hospital) and he was still a citizen at birth.
Same
A ton of people have their kids at the local hospital instead of on base overseas
Posted on 8/28/19 at 5:44 pm to StraightCashHomey21
My mom was born in Germany way back in the day on an american base and she got a call about 15 years ago from immigration claiming she was an alien. It got cleared up pretty quickly but it was funny at the time. Probably not so much these days...
Posted on 8/28/19 at 7:51 pm to Mickey Goldmill
NDAY, Mickey
If you follow the link in the OP and then follow the relevant links to the policy manual and actually read it, it is clear they are referring to a naturalized citizen where the spouse, children, parents were not naturalized yet and where the children were born before the parent was naturalized. This does not include step children, but the non-naturalized children of a naturalized US citizen.
If you follow the link in the OP and then follow the relevant links to the policy manual and actually read it, it is clear they are referring to a naturalized citizen where the spouse, children, parents were not naturalized yet and where the children were born before the parent was naturalized. This does not include step children, but the non-naturalized children of a naturalized US citizen.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 7:57 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:As the new policy applies, it only matters if your parents (or parent) aren’t already citizens.
not that simple. Residency matters.
As long as at least one of your parents are a US citizen, and have lived for a total of at least five years in the US as a citizen, then you are, by birth, a natural born citizen.
The new policy says nothing about changing that, and it applies to those who wouldn’t be natural born citizens. A child born overseas to non-citizens, that just happen to be employed by the US government, shouldn’t expect to automatically granted citizenship at birth. The electrician who works at the stadium hosting the Super Bowl doesn’t get to take home a trophy.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:01 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:
it is poorly worded
Absurdly worded.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:06 pm to Trumansfangs
Per Fox News:
LINK
"USCIS identified three sets of children living outside the U.S. whom the policy could affect: children of non-U.S. citizens adopted by U.S. citizen employees or service members; children of non-U.S. citizen parents who become citizens after the child’s birth; and children of U.S. citizens who do not meet residency requirements to transmit citizenship to their children at birth."
LINK
"USCIS identified three sets of children living outside the U.S. whom the policy could affect: children of non-U.S. citizens adopted by U.S. citizen employees or service members; children of non-U.S. citizen parents who become citizens after the child’s birth; and children of U.S. citizens who do not meet residency requirements to transmit citizenship to their children at birth."
Posted on 8/29/19 at 7:57 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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meh...children born to a U.S. citizen is a U.S. citizen no matter where the child is born. So, this would only apply to employees / armed forces who are NOT currently U.S. citizens.
This. I would like the requirement to be that you need to be born to 2 US citizens for automatic citizenship. But if born overseas, you shouldn’t be considered “natural born” for purposes of running for POTUS, VP, etc. Only people born on US soil should get that.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 2:24 pm to Redleg Guy
A little update and context.
The More You Know
A little knowledge goes a long way...
quote:
its data indicate the measure would have affected only "20 to 25 children a year."
quote:
Children of parents who have never lived in the United States or established residency
Children of couples including a U.S. citizen and a non-citizen
Children of non-citizens serving in the armed forces
Non-citizen children adopted by U.S. citizens
The More You Know
A little knowledge goes a long way...
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:19 pm to Redleg Guy
quote:
For a child born on or after December 24, 1952, both parents must have been American citizens. In addition, one parent must have lived in the United States for ten years (and for at least five years after the age of 14) before the birth of the child.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 3:24 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Is it really a "BS interpretation" when so many read it that way?
""Journalism" USED to mean
1. Get info
2. Confirm info.
3. report info.
NOW
Journalism means
1.Get info
2. Report it with your hair on fire
Basic rule of thumb. If the info you just got seems completely at odds with what you think makes sense, you should at least make an attempt include that middle step first.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/29/19 at 4:43 pm to TheFonz
I’m the same way but in reverse. I’m a dual Australian citizen with a birth of Aussie citizen abroad status.
They used to make kids choose when they turned 18 on which citizenship to keep, but thankfully they changed the laws.
They used to make kids choose when they turned 18 on which citizenship to keep, but thankfully they changed the laws.
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