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re: Chicago Worlds Fair 1893: A 'RESET' narrative created to hide past History & Timeline?

Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:01 pm to
What percentage of American citizens today are even descended from families who resided here pre-Civil War? I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 15%.

If you think the World's Fairs are f&%ky, "alternative history" gets WAY weirder theories. A couple years ago, when I was supposed to be studying for the bar, I went down this rabbit hole for fun. I love history and architecture and thought it would be interesting to hear what these outsiders had to say. While a lot of them were Russians who were simply ignorant about the history west of the Volga and had good reason to distrust any history taught by a central authority (you know, because of Soviet Communism which lied about everything for nearly a century), there was a lot of thought-provoking stuff.

One of the most interesting ideas was a series of theories regarding manufactured history adding centuries worth of events that never happened simply by copy/paste-ing the same events over and over again and just changing the names a little bit. The idea was that the reason for the lack of archaeological and written evidence for the Medieval Dark ages is simple: they didn't happen. The distance of time between the Renaissance and the Christianization of Rome was much much much shorter than 1000 years.

The reason why stories like the Danelaw and the conquest of England by the Saxons nearly mirror each other is because they were literally the same event. It happened...once, just not twice. One of the events was an insertion.

See, there are really zero existing European written manuscripts dating from prior to the Crusades. During the 13th through 15th centuries, Europe began founding Universities where classic literary works pilfered from Constantinople and the Holy Land were copied, translated, and studied. All history of Europe from prior to about 1300 was compiled and recorded by enough people to fit in one medium sized church, and they were nearly all Catholic monks. There was an opportunity there to create primary source documents to say whatever they wanted.

All copies that were older than 1300 AD were eventually lost or destroyed, so while we believe that our versions of Josephus or Plato are accurate, we kinda just have to take those monks' word on that.

Once you go farther back than 1300 in Europe, the amount of information that you have in order to properly date sites and support the narrative of history gets extremely thin. In addition, there's the issues created by the multiple calendar switches which occurred in the Western World between the Julian and the Gregorian calendar system.

Heck, there's a nearly 300 year long gap in the history of buildings constructed in and around modern day Istanbul (then Constantinople). If the current narrative is to be believed, not a single building or large scale infrastructure project was erected during a nearly 300 year period near the height of the Byzantine Empire.

While I am still not convinced of the Mud Flood, I can at least recognize the plausibility of lost history as well as the opportunities that were present to completely re-write everything prior at multiple junctions between 1300 and 1913.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:02 pm to
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Were the incredible 'Roman-Greco /Baroque' style architectural buildings located at Chicago's 1893 World's Fair (as well as in other older American cities and towns) the possible evidence of a past hidden history and civilization?

WTF?

There are photographs of these buildings being constructed and dismantled.

The construction of the 1893 World's Fair is incredibly well documented. The buildings were designed to be temporary.

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Does this make any sense?

Yes, yes it does. Almost every major world's fair used temporary buildings.

Do you think that the Museum of Science and Industry building in Chicago is evidence of an ancient civilization?

If i am following, you believe that *they* were so keen to hide this evidence of a prior civilization that they invited millions of people to come tour the buildings before destroying them. Why were people unable to see the White City in Chicago prior to the beginning of construction for the World's Fair? Optical illusion? Elaborate shielding technology?
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 4:11 pm
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:05 pm to
AMAZING links and info...mind blowing. Thanks...

Excellent shopping list de-constructing the fabricated narrative and replacing it with the truth. (Yes, most US Capitol buildings and many Govt buildings are coincidentally "Romanesque" from coast-to-coast across this nation as well as in Canada (and across this world/realm).
Posted by Indefatigable
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:05 pm to
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So they built the largest building by square footage ever constructed by humans and decided to make it a temporary structure they could just tear down after?


Yes.

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That's kind of hard to swallow


Why? It is and has been standard practice for expositions, worlds fairs, olympics, and other major events for centuries.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:06 pm to
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es, most US Capitol buildings and many Govt buildings are coincidentally "Romanesque" from coast-to-coast across this nation as well as in Canada (and across this world/realm)


Its almost like those buildings were constructed in relatively the same time frame, designed by European-centric architects who were heavily influenced by the Greco Roman style.

What a conspiracy!!!
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:08 pm to
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Reset narrative: These buildings were ancient, and the Fairs were cover for their disassembly. The purpose of these events was to destroy the physical evidence of pre-Columbian America being a part of the classical world, which would undermine the narratives of colonization and conquest which justified the regime.

KB, you are far too intelligent to believe that.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:15 pm to
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Why? It is and has been standard practice for expositions, worlds fairs, olympics, and other major events for centuries.



Yep. The Eiffel Tower was once such structure. It was not meant to remain standing.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:16 pm to
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There are photographs of these buildings being constructed and dismantled.

The construction of the 1893 World's Fair is incredibly well documented. The buildings were designed to be temporary.


Convenient photo ops, scaffolding, and a few scant actual temp buildings here & there that helped mask the truth, friend. The narrative needed far more support than...a an entire "temp city" cover story at the turn of the century and a few scaffolding pics.

This wasn't Chicago 1938 or New York, 1964.

Stay tuned. I'll be posting videos and photos from other "World's Fair"s from around the same era.

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Question: Do you think that the Museum of Science and Industry building in Chicago is evidence of an ancient civilization?


If by "ancient" you mean built way before it is claimed -- undoubtedly.

Question:

Do you believe intricately detailed granite buildings, lagoons, bulkheads, and hundreds of acres of designed grounds were erected in just a few years -- during the horse & buggy days? Constructed with ZERO machinery and trucks? Limited skilled manpower, architects, and craftsmen? Only for the 1893 Chicago World's Fair to be closed within months and most of the fair reduced to rubble (except for 7 of 200 buildings?)

You're entitled to your opinion.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:20 pm to
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KB, you are far too intelligent to believe that.


I'm not saying I believe a word of it. I am just explaining what the theory is and is about.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:22 pm to
Just look at The Sphinx. We're lead to believe that the same folks who crafted the insane geometry and construction of the Pyramids somehow were waaaay off on the dimensions of the head to body ratio ?


Totally unlikely.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:24 pm to
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If by "ancient" you mean built way before it is claimed -- undoubtedly.

Why then did no one in Chicago see it before it was built for the fair? Why is it in no photographs of the area after the Chicago Fire that preceded (and enabled) the Fair?

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Do you believe intricately detailed granite buildings, lagoons, bulkheads, and hundreds of acres of designed grounds were erected in just a few years -- during the horse & buggy days? Constructed with ZERO machinery and trucks?

Yes, easily, and the buildings were largely simply wood frames with painted concrete, plaster, or stucco facades. They were not made of granite. They did use steam powered machinery anyways, btw, and lots of it.

Trying to make the 1890's sound primitive from a mechanical, industrial, and engineering standpoint just makes you seem foolish. We had gotten just slightly past the horse and buggy by that point.

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Limited skilled manpower, architects, and craftsmen?

Who told you it was limited? The workforce was in the tens of thousands.

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Only for the 1893 Chicago World's Fair to be closed within months and most of the fair reduced to rubble (except for 7 of 200 buildings?)


It was open for a year, and then dismantled, as designed from the start. Yes. Just like tons of other large events.

This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:27 pm to
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The Eiffel Tower was once such structure. It was not meant to remain standing.


I'm sure OP believes it was built far before the Paris Exposition and that the photographs of its construction are just elaborate fakes.

It had obviously been there the whole time! Its weird that Napoleon or other influential French figures never commented on the big steel tower though.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:33 pm to
Per the World's Fair, I don't know about pre-existing part, but the craftmanship and stone work for some structures are very curious indeed. Unlike the Eiffel Tower, which is basically a fancy erector set, raising stone buildings with ornate and intricate carvings and such is time consuming as well as an elite level trade. Seems unlikely to hastily build something like that to just then demolish it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:34 pm to
So, what are some of the consequences of such a revision?

Archaeologists have uncovered troves of bronze artifacts dating from Europe's bronze age in quantities far in excess of the classical world's believed copper deposits. While Egypt had extensive copper mines, there simply wasn't enough copper in the classical world to justify the quantities of artifacts found. At the same time, massive amounts of copper were removed from the Great Lakes region of North America. We have no idea who did it, how, or where that copper was used. According to the accepted historical narrative, the only pre-Columbian civilization that ever advanced to the Copper Age were the Incas, who had mastered it relatively recently before the Spanish arrived. Who mined the copper and where did they take it? Where did the Mediterranean civilizations get all of their bronze?

If the Americas were supplying Bronze Age Europe with copper, then why wouldn't contact with the New World continue into the Iron Age?

Well, Romanesque ruins in Western Europe are commonly being dated to around 900 AD, 400 years after the fall of Rome. You have thousands of Romanesque structures in America.

If Romanesque architecture was continuing to be built into the "Dark Ages" and the time between the fall of Rome and the Age of Exploration was significantly shorter than the recorded history, and the Americas are dotted with Romanesque buildings (despite the Worlds' Fairs destroying most of them), then is it possible that what we think of as "Neo-Classical" architecture isn't neo at all? Is it possible that the reason so much of the New World resembles the Old World is that it IS the Old World? Those plantations (which are one by one being burned and purged from history) wouldn't be creations of 18th and 19th century gentleman who wanted to recapture the beauty of classical architecture, but rather examples of classical architecture themselves, and evidence of Roman plantations similar to the ones which lined the Western bank of the Rhine in Roman Gaul. Considering how much of the South was put to the torch by Farragut and Sherman, who knows how much classical architecture existed pre-War.

While I don't think this is necessarily true, it is absolutely fascinating to think about how little physical evidence ties us to our understanding of the history of the world and our nation within it.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 4:38 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116387 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:35 pm to
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So, the main takeaway from "The Devil in the White City" is a narrative that reinforces the notion that the entire fair's construction was indeed "temporary", ergo "unsafe"?

If so, I'm not buying it.


Peak PT

Read the fricking book dude. it is a really great book.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116387 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 4:39 pm to
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Yes, easily, and the buildings were largely simply wood frames with painted concrete, plaster, or stucco facades. They were not made of granite. They did use steam powered machinery anyways, btw, and lots of it.

Trying to make the 1890's sound primitive from a mechanical, industrial, and engineering standpoint just makes you seem foolish. We had gotten just slightly past the horse and buggy by that point.


Holy Crap, the OP is freaking loon, bless your heart.

The Chicago Worlds Fair is HEAVILY documented. Its not some grand conspiracy.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25610 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 5:10 pm to
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Yes, easily, and the buildings were largely simply wood frames with painted concrete, plaster, or stucco facades. They were not made of granite. They did use steam powered machinery anyways, btw, and lots of it.


So basically, as with today, those Fairs were just theme parks, or big movie sets ,made to look real, but weren't.

Like Disney. All front and for show, but not actual buildings.

That makes lots more sense.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38252 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 5:13 pm to
OP, I do love threads like this but here’s a 100+ image Imgur thread showing the fair being built and a lot of the machinery involved

LINK


This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101738 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 5:19 pm to
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There are photographs of these buildings being constructed and dismantled.

The construction of the 1893 World's Fair is incredibly well documented. The buildings were designed to be temporary.


Convenient photo ops,


Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25610 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 5:22 pm to

Not impressed with the YouTube presentation, but on the face of it, there's a legit interesting story to be told.

These large structures seem to captivate the European minds. Just look at what Hitler had in store for Berlin, or what the Soviets built in the 30's, 40's, 50's... always to promote the achievements of the State, and dwarf the individual. Same feel with these buildings.
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