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Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:40 am to Mo Jeaux
If not the Bible as the source of THE truth, then why not? And what instead?
I'm quite interested in your thesis.
I'm quite interested in your thesis.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:54 am to Liberator
Yeah I'll say this, really we don't know where we are in time. And supposedly there were upwards of 500 books in the Bible. What we know now could very well just be a white washed/politically correct Bible. And maybe living and communicating with angels like Enoch did was easier. Maybe we've forgotten something, or maybe it was easier to be better. Maybe culture has made it so people just don't believe in something enough for it to manifest. The Roman account of the people who lived in the Germany area said the people there wouldn't have sex until at least 20 for instance, now combine that with the Christ oil and you see what I mean. Maybe this "Tartarian empire" was really Jesus 1000 years of ruling and we are post that when the devil rules. We have to be ever curious and suspicious at the same time. Maybe we will find something, maybe we can discover something to make life better.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:16 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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It’s amazing how jacked human history is. ...People were sailing all over the place back then.
I think people overlook the fact that 5000-6000 years ago the sea was 200-400 ft lower.
"People" -- most specifically, those who ought to know better or actually DO know better -- like geologists, archaeologists, those in geo-science fields, and historians (not many want to risk funding or rep as a CT "kook").
Evidence for these past 200'-400' lower seas as well as many who'd sailed to other continents and establishing settlements in those places is overwhelming -- but just when? Could have been a few different geological resets.
There are parts cities with their intact buildings, squares, statues, etc found under-water lying off the coasts of Japan, Greece, the Bahamas -- everywhere.
Ever check out ancient maps drawn up from the 1500s-1700s that names places and identify different islands and coastlines we've been told hadn't been "discovered" yet?
And then there are several maps showing an "Island of California". Here's one allegedly from 1688 at Gallery of Ancient Maps at ebaums world with ZOOM FOR LARGER DETAILS
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:18 pm to Liberator
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Ever check out ancient maps drawn up from the 1500s-1700s that names places and identify different islands and coastlines we've been told hadn't been "discovered" yet?
What places are we told hadn't been discovered yet that are on these maps?
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:30 pm to zatetic
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Yeah I'll say this, really we don't know where we are in time. And supposedly there were upwards of 500 books in the Bible. What we know now could very well just be a white washed/politically correct Bible.
I realize this is one of the arguments for invalidating the Bible as THE Truth; The other: "Men wrote it, ergo because man is a liar, he could have lied when penning Scripture."
My rebuttal:
IF one believes Scripture is indeed the Inspired Word of God (penned by man); AND if one believes the Will of God can NOT be cannot be countermanded or hijacked, WHY would The Almighty allow any such corruption of His Word?
So yes -- man routinely corrupts everything he touches. With Scripture, with the Bible? God: HANDS OFF. (So either individuals believe God is Sovereign OR he isn't.)
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:44 pm to markinkaty
So, let's say you guys are right and they destroyed perfectly good and magnificent buildings in order to erase the past.. Why would they be doing this and what exactly would they be hiding?
Seems like if you could rewrite history then you wouldn't need to tear down buildings. You'd just change the history of the buildings.
Seems like if you could rewrite history then you wouldn't need to tear down buildings. You'd just change the history of the buildings.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:44 pm to crazy4lsu
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What places are we told hadn't been discovered yet that are on these maps?
Not commenting to what you are, but something mapmakers would [supposedly] do back in the day was put incorrect information on a map so they would be able to tell if someone was copying their maps illegally. I know there was one map made that supposedly had a fake island put on it and other mapmakers put it on their maps too and that island no longer can be found. But was it really there or was it one of those mapmakers "copyrights?"
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:47 pm to zatetic
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Maybe this "Tartarian empire" was really Jesus 1000 years of ruling and we are post that when the devil rules. We have to be ever curious and suspicious at the same time. Maybe we will find something, maybe we can discover something to make life better.
I've also noted and considered this newer theory that Christ's "1000 Year Reign" had *already* taken place -- along with a simultaneous past era "Christian" morality and world-wide era of "good will" of mankind -- coinciding with "Tartarian" architectural glories suggested evidence (from Michelle Gibson for one).
It's interesting...but one would think there'd have been *some* -- and actually quite a bit of specific documentation or testimony. Moreover, I believe there are a few prophecies left yet to occur (close, but no doubt -- the current evil times of DOWN = UP and Evil = Good appears to reflect the End Times.
These are great tangential subjects that probably deserve their own separate threads.
Nice Gospel testimony, btw. Thank you.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:52 pm to BeepNode
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Why would they be doing this and what exactly would they be hiding?
Well one reason is in the supposed antiquitech. There was free energy akin to what Tesla was trying to do. Only they actually had it and it was everywhere. If you look at a lot of these old buildings they have lightning rods all over them and are covered with copper roofs. This is supposedly harnessing the free atmospheric energy. Another is that these buildings, idk if all or just the gothic churches, were made with internal acoustics that had certain frequencies that aren't in modern churches. What were these frequencies used for? What if these power players got rid of this stuff so that they can have power and control over people that were previously unshackled to anyone because now everything has an end point where before buildings would last centuries and energy was free.
I mean the possibilities are endless because we only know what we are capable of from our science. What if this energy got rid of the worry people had for the daily grind, what if having no worry extends life because there is no stress? What if the acoustics heal people causing no diseases and further extending life. That's why we have to keep looking at this stuff and figure out how to reengineer this stuff.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:53 pm to crazy4lsu
I think you're best checking out the series of different maps for yourself and zooming in.
On the above map for example, there is an "Island of California"; This island is reflected in many maps -- it's not just a one-off anomaly.
This would obviously have indicated a major catastrophe between the times these maps were charted and perhaps the mid 1800s (depending on sources.) Coincidentally quite few odd phenomena occurred within that time frame -- including a frozen Summers, the Madrid Earthquakes, several fires, and... world wide Mudfloods.
On the above map for example, there is an "Island of California"; This island is reflected in many maps -- it's not just a one-off anomaly.
This would obviously have indicated a major catastrophe between the times these maps were charted and perhaps the mid 1800s (depending on sources.) Coincidentally quite few odd phenomena occurred within that time frame -- including a frozen Summers, the Madrid Earthquakes, several fires, and... world wide Mudfloods.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:55 pm to zatetic
So you're saying they had fantastic technology, free energy, etc and decided to get rid of it all so they could rule over us?
That's a bit counter productive for them.
The only way it is not is if there's a Wakunda out there somewhere for them to live in.
That's a bit counter productive for them.
The only way it is not is if there's a Wakunda out there somewhere for them to live in.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:00 pm to BeepNode
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So, let's say you guys are right and they destroyed perfectly good and magnificent buildings in order to erase the past.. Why would they be doing this and what exactly would they be hiding?
Quite a few of your questions would be addressed and clarified in the video link below at the 'Stolen History' website (or you could read the narration.) It's a fascinating summation of overlapping theories.
Stolen History, World's Fairs, PTBs, and RESET
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:10 pm to BeepNode
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So you're saying they had fantastic technology, free energy, etc and decided to get rid of it all so they could rule over us?
It's a theory but there's evidence behind it; It was used in the past; All of the means were retained as some of it was displayed it at World Fairs; But in general for the most part, the PTB have hidden, reserved, or released certain select tech till this very day.
One past discovery or "hidden technology" is one which harvests electric power in the air or "aether". (There were "street cable cars back in the 1880s and moving sidewalks displayed at at least two World Fairs. Another is the "tech" of using Levitation - which could help explain moving huge blocks of stone as at the Pyramids. OR the moves of "Alien" UFOs aircraft).
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:24 pm to Liberator
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I think you're best checking out the series of different maps for yourself and zooming in. On the above map for example, there is an "Island of California"; This island is reflected in many maps -- it's not just a one-off anomaly. This would obviously have indicated a major catastrophe between the times these maps were charted and perhaps the mid 1800s (depending on sources.) Coincidentally quite few odd phenomena occurred within that time frame -- including a frozen Summers, the Madrid Earthquakes, several fires, and... world wide Mudfloods.
I’m extremely familiar with older maps. Most were not based on direct surveying, and instead were based on rumors which were passed down between cartographers. The most explicit example of this is the Straight of Anian, theorized to exist to in order to bolster the idea that there was a direct connection between Asia and the Americas. It was first drawn by Giacomo Gastaldi in 1562 and was adopted by Zaltieri and Mercator in 1567. There are several more examples of cartographers working off of incomplete information, as most were based on rumors and not direct surveying. Notice that the lands which were well-surveyed rarely have added features, like most of the Mediterranean.
The geologic, anthropological and genetic record is pretty explicit, but there are gaps. There are still several questions as it relates to how certain civilizations built certain monuments, but using older maps isn’t evidence of anything.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:41 am to rmnldr
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OP, I do love threads like this but here’s a 100+ image Imgur thread showing the fair being built and a lot of the machinery involved
I apologize for the very late response...
Much gratitude for digging up the link to the 1893 World's Fair construction that appears to cover every phase of building that even included prep over the 600 acres of grounds. Excellent gem! I encourage everyone to check out your photo link.
Mind blowing for several reasons.
It just may have explained the mystery of whether most (or all) the buildings were there to begin with; BUT, creates many other questions and issues regarding existing 1890s technologies, building knowledge, artisanship & machinery, site-prep manipulation of water-ways & canal building.)
In just TWO YEARS, we re told this entire Fair Ground is completed -- that obviously includes the steel-beamed / framed buildings, stone-works, cement moldings, (wooden 2x4 piles seen), plumbing (stacks of piping seen) -- including site prep and creation of canals & bulkheads.
I'm no stranger to building & site construction; to accomplish all this within just two years in 1893 considering the logistics of project prep, transportation (train cars seen), machinery, energy...is nothing short of miraculous.
I'll post just a few photos for now...
(STEEL COLUMNS)
Bridge / Lagoon Construction area
Pretty heavy-duty steel bracing for a "temporary" throw-away building.
Foundation footings
Appear built to last ages
Columns Construction
(Note the stack of 2x4s)
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:04 pm to zatetic
We should be reminded that whether the subject is "Worlds Fair research" or "History" in general, 99.999% of the citizenry during every era of man have not had the leisure time, independence, resources OR inclination to back-track and validate "History". UNTIL present times. The internet (along with all other ardent researchers) have indeed availed us to the "World's Libraries".
I don't know whether this opportunity is fully grasped and embraced; It may be a very small window.
For the first time in History the common man CAN actually back-track, document and validate "History" (to a large extent, for as long as the PTB allow it).
"When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated and the winner writes the History Books" ~ Dan Brown (The Da Vinci Code)
"What is History, but a fable agreed upon?" ~ Napoleon
“Every age that has historical status is governed by aristocracies." ~ Joseph Goebbels
I don't know whether this opportunity is fully grasped and embraced; It may be a very small window.
For the first time in History the common man CAN actually back-track, document and validate "History" (to a large extent, for as long as the PTB allow it).
"When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated and the winner writes the History Books" ~ Dan Brown (The Da Vinci Code)
"What is History, but a fable agreed upon?" ~ Napoleon
“Every age that has historical status is governed by aristocracies." ~ Joseph Goebbels
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:12 pm to crazy4lsu
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I’m extremely familiar with older maps. Most were not based on direct surveying, and instead were based on rumors which were passed down between cartographers.
"Rumors"? Or shared data and cartography?
Mass masses and coastlines were obviously impossible to survey.
COULD the source(s) for mapping actually be...gas balloon aviation that has been erased from the "history" books? Otherwise there seems to be no logical or practical way for world maps -- even by the early 1900s.
Balloons and dirigibles/Zeppelins were in use by aviation at least by the 1800s....all the way into the 1930s (when in 1933 the German zeppelin Hindenburg exploded at Lakehurst, NJ -- and suddenly the entire world seemingly banned the entire dirigible transportation system.)
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:20 pm to crazy4lsu
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The most explicit example of this [maps rumors passed down and shared] is the Straight of Anian, theorized to exist to in order to bolster the idea that there was a direct connection between Asia and the Americas.
It was first drawn by Giacomo Gastaldi in 1562 and was adopted by Zaltieri and Mercator in 1567. There are several more examples of cartographers working off of incomplete information, as most were based on rumors and not direct surveying. Notice that the lands which were well-surveyed rarely have added features, like most of the Mediterranean.
"Rumors" and shared maps info is a given. Though there are many differences in mass, and info, coastlines, disappearing and uncharted islands in many older maps.
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using older maps isn’t evidence of anything.
Even if not drawn to scale or detail, they sure do provide plenty of "evidence".
How else would one explain how world / continental places, general geographical positioning, the seas -- many that are already named as of the 1500s-1700s?
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:25 pm to Liberator
Those images you posted look to be from the structure that was planned to be permanent (the present day Museum of Science and Industry). As I mentioned earlier, it was to house artwork from Europe, and those museums and private collectors insisted on a more fireproof building. This was after the Chicago Fire of 1871, so that was still a fairly recent memory.
When bureaucracy is slashed, and with very limited safety regulation or worker's rights at the time, it's amazing what can happen in a short time.
When bureaucracy is slashed, and with very limited safety regulation or worker's rights at the time, it's amazing what can happen in a short time.
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