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re: Cheney's opening statement

Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by Goonie02
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:49 pm to
Here is my opening statement.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:50 pm to
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Yes. I do. I don’t know who/what you are referring to but if laws were broken they should be indicted and given their day in court

Well, part of my question goes to "if laws were broken."

Do you think Biden lying about "violent white supremacists" - and I don't mean a little or at the margin, but like the difference between "most lethal threat to the homeland" and, for example, the fact that there were 13 racially motivated murders of blacks by whites in 2021 (which was dwarfed by the number of murders turned the other way around) - so Biden and his lieutenants, along with their FBI, HHS, even pentagon gaslight the country about "violent white supremacy" and then we see all the violence, etc. this incites - - - do you think Biden/his people should be held criminally accountable for inciting this violence?
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

SBBruin28


get help, mental disorders are no laughing matter
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50513 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:57 pm to
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Still not one person disputing what Cheney presented.



I'm not giving this committee views just to dispute the nonsense they're spewing.
Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:58 pm to
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do you think Biden/his people should be held criminally accountable for inciting this violence?


I feel like I’m being drug into a whataboutism-type argument. I hate those. You don’t seem to be satisfied with my answer so I’ll just say, if a direct line can be established between specific comments made by officials and death, property damage or other illegal activity, then I have no problem with them being charged. Biden, Trump whoever. The law should be applied equally to all citizens. No one should be above it
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:59 pm to
This is nothing more than a " look over here while we f*CK up the economy" game.

Trump signed paperwork that would have allowed 20k national guardsmen to protect the Capital YET it was Pelosi who said No. That is who the hearings should be on.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50513 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 3:59 pm to
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if a direct line can be established between specific comments made by officials and death




Such a direct link can only be made to comments made by Democrats. No such link can be made to Trump.
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 4:04 pm
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:00 pm to
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You don't like the January 6th committee for some reason. Well, we're all eager to hear you point out any factual errors in Liz Cheney's presentation. Any at all?

Truth is there is not one thing that was presented that is factually inaccurate


quote:

Trump knew his claims of a stolen election were B.S.


I mean you answered your own question so what are you here for?
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:02 pm to
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SBBruin28

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146878 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:03 pm to
Why were there TONS (as quoted in the NYTimes) of FBI agents there on J6th?

They certainly were not there to make sure things didn't get out of hand because 4 Trump supporters died. A petite, unarmed woman was murdered-WHY? No police died from anything but natural causes.

The democrats did RESIST and notmyPresident for 4 years and NO ONE CENSORED THEM.

The democrats encouraged way worse than what went on on J6th. The democrats accused Trump of being an agent of Putin's.

The Ukraine slush scam was nearly exposed so you are trying to criminally eliminate your political opponent.

America is wide awake to the gas-lighting. We aren't stupid. Liz Cheney can't even win her seat back. No one cares about her lies.

Her father was a war loving, money making MIC, despot. That has not peeped one word against Biden's moves; and how all the people that died for the USA in Afghanistan for nothing! As Biden leaves the enemy (Taliban & CCP) all of the goods.

The jig is up. The establishment snobs of DC can no longer cover their NGO slush funding MIC crimes in fake republican diplomacy. As they lie through their teeth about WMD's and war.

The swamp and most especially republicans will never be forgiven for the Patriot Act beast.
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 4:10 pm
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:09 pm to
LOL
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17916 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:10 pm to
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I feel like I’m being drug into a whataboutism-type argument. I hate those.

I'm not aware of your history with whataboutism arguments, but I think it's pretty rational to believe, as you have expressed yourself, that the law should be applied equally. But I'm not asking my question right because we're going in circles. Let me try one more time -

Straight away -

Joe Biden has repeatedly raised "violent white supremacists/supremacy" as this grave/massive threat, a wave of ugliness and violence washing over the country. I don't think there's any debate about that. He, his admin, his allies in congress, the heads of large fed agencies, and it's all being amplified by the press - - - they are clearly making the case that there are loads of racist whites that are wreaking havoc on blacks and the country. And we know this rhetoric has resulted in violence. We've seen it. We can count the bodies.

So, if it's all bullshite. If it can be proven to you that there is no white supremacist threat at any scale remotely consistent with Biden's gaslighting, do you think Biden should be removed from office?
Posted by newmexicotiger
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:11 pm to
(SBBruin28)

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146878 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:12 pm to
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He knew the racist Proud Boys and Oath Keepers would continue to eat up his lies and he didn't care what happened to democracy, rule of law.
These are FBI formed fake wussy militia's like Patriot Front. Now we see they were formed for the J6th bird dog.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38787 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:19 pm to
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Trump knew his claims of a stolen election were B.S


I still don't know that
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15317 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:19 pm to
Lol, OP came out looking like a complete moron on this thread. Ran back to Democratunderground to bury his head.
Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
5591 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:24 pm to
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So, if it's all bullshite. If it can be proven to you that there is no white supremacist threat at any scale remotely consistent with Biden's gaslighting, do you think Biden should be removed from office?


I don’t know if gaslighting is considered illegal. I’ll admit. I’m not familiar with the statements you are referencing but you seem like a sincere poster. I’m sure he said it.
As for my personal opinion? I don’t think I’d be for his removal from office for “gaslighting.” I hate to admit I’m not sure what it even means. Is it a high crime or misdemeanor? I honestly do not know. It does seem we give presidents too much leeway to say dumb shite and use hyperbole to make their points. That’s a fair point
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:25 pm to
fricking alters
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
3815 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:30 pm to
This is the link to the opening statements. LINK

The second sentence is false.
quote:

And let me echo those words about the importance of bipartisanship, and what a tremendous honor it is to work on this committee.


There is a party on the left trying to burn this nation. A party that started the sham Mueller investigation when they all knew Mrs. Clinton paid for a fake Steele dossier that Steele himself admitted was utterly fake. That same party then took part in the Sussman-Alfa bank scam trying to make it look, again, like President Trump was a traitor. That same party, again, tried to impeach the president over a fake scam in Ukraine. Nobody, not one witness, could actually say what he did. Gordon Sondland was a joke, as was Colonel Vindman, and Marie Yovanovitch was proven to be a like.

Bipartisanship? No. Not a chance.

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Well, we're all eager to hear you point out any factual errors in Liz Cheney's presentation.


That's it. Second sentence. Case closed.

TAKE YOUR UCLA CALIFORNIA COMMUNIST SELF WITH YOUR 96 POSTS AND F*** RIGHT OFF. YOU ARE A LYING SACK OF S***.


Also, if you bother to read the rest of that statement, it is a vast piece of fluff and baseless accusations. This hearing and entire investigation is another sham. They've hired professional tv producers to help dramatize it. It's the same party (plus some RINO turds) that has been lying to us for 5.5 years while also wantonly setting up rampant inflation, abandoning our allies in Afghanistan in the middle of the night, and callously ignoring Joe Biden's son's Chinese ties and illegal gun purchases while trying to abridge the second amendment of the constitution.


This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 4:33 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17916 posts
Posted on 6/11/22 at 4:32 pm to
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As for my personal opinion? I don’t think I’d be for his removal from office for “gaslighting.”

I agree. It's the role of the opposition party, and in normal times a fair/free press, to push back on this type of bullshite.

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Is it a high crime or misdemeanor? I honestly do not know.

I don't think it is. I think utter nonsense shouldn't be hard to defeat, though the last few years has me questioning that.

The 1/6 committee and the way the Left has used it is consistent with our hypothetical here, and as reprehensible as it is ... whatever. Except for the part where they have ruined lives and jailed people in this game. I wouldn't mind seeing some of these assholes held accountable for that.
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