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IKKAY
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
No exact numbers are available but scholars put the estimate of slain soldiers on the low end at 680,000 and on the high end at 805,000. So it may be somewhat of a little more consequence than Benedict Arnold. There are still reverberations that echo from the southern reconstruction movement that continue today. But people seem to belittle or at least quickly dismiss the horrific weight that this civil war cost in our nations history.


bluedragon
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
Great numbers of those killed were by disease and illness. That 600 plus thousand killed were not all by combat related injuries.


Lima Whiskey
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
The majority of deaths were due to illness. That was true of all wars, until the 20th century.


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Lima Whiskey
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
The South took heavier casualties per capita. Either way, it was the bloodiest war we’ve fought.


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IKKAY
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
How does that make it any less tragic? What’s your point? If you cut yourself and it turns septic while you march the long distances between battlefields and barracks in the elements does that mean your death is of less value?


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Hickok
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Up goes Floyd statues.

Over a year sober!!


Mo Jeaux
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Over a year sober!!


Holy Saint George!


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Ace Midnight
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I am still bothered by people who don't know history claiming the war started because of slavery


It is a paradox. The war's "engine" was the deep divisions between North and South - industry and agriculture, Catholic and Protestant, both related to slavery and the nation's broader reliance on the goods produced by slavery both for direct export and to make finished goods (largely in the North). It was the metaphorical "tiger by the tail" by the nation and we failed to reason our way out of it.

So, it is fair to say that the "engine" of the Civil Was was the broad-based range of division. But its fuel was slavery. Without a doubt.


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Ace Midnight
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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Great numbers of those killed were by disease and illness. That 600 plus thousand killed were not all by combat related injuries.




Regardless, without the war, the United States would be a nation of over 400 million today, probably closer to 500 million.

:letthatsinkin:


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I, too, feel the best way to tell your complete history is by erasing the parts of it you don't like or agree with.


On the one hand i get this on the other if you're learning history from statues something is very wrong


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Regardless, without the war, the United States would be a nation of over 400 million today, probably closer to 500 million.


Does the big immigration wave of the late 19th-early 20th century occur absent the Civil War?


Ace Midnight
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Does the big immigration wave of the late 19th-early 20th century occur absent the Civil War?


Might have been affected the total numbers, some, but wouldn't have changed the population arc as much.


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Ghost Hog
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues


Gavrilo Princep in Sarajevo.

You are no student of history.

Also, I am not a confederacy advocate, but the South hardly tried to overthrow the government.



UsingUpAllTheLetters
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You lost. Deal with it.
What exactly is it that I’m accused of having lost? How the frick would you know what I’ve lost?


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L.A.
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It's not an intelligent thought. Removing a statue has very little to do with this quote. Get back to me when nobody knows who Lee is. (Hint: that will be never)
I don't know why you try so hard to be an a-hole when you post on here. Are you this insufferable IRL?

This is about control. The Left has power right now. They're using it. I don't have a personal attachment to Confederate statues. Even though I grew up in New Orleans, my sympathies were always with the Union. Still are. I do think the Confederate states had a right to secede, but their cause was not one I identify with.

But Lee and Jackson being removed from Charlottesville? That's a big deal. That shows a lot of power, and my opinion of the people wielding the power is even lower than my opinion of the people in the Confederacy.


Big Scrub TX
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I don't know why you try so hard to be an a-hole when you post on here. Are you this insufferable IRL?
Are you this butthurt about everything IRL? Have you ever posted anything positive ever?

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But Lee and Jackson being removed from Charlottesville? That's a big deal. That shows a lot of power, and my opinion of the people wielding the power is even lower than my opinion of the people in the Confederacy.
Maybe it's a big deal, but it was a vote. Do you have a problem with the legitimate exercise of municipal power? This isn't criminals ripping them down illegally. You grew up in New Orleans? Were you traumatized when you found out Lee Circle used to be Tivoli Circle? Were you aghast at the out of control power hungry charlatans who ERASED that beautiful Italian history? Everyone knows that there are no more Italians in NOLA!!!!

shite comes and shite goes. I hate these leftist dipshits more than anyone on here. But not only do I think you're overstating their "power", I just couldn't give 2 shits about what happens to statues of traitors - especially not if it was the result of a "unanimous vote".


L.A.
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Are you this butthurt about everything IRL?
When a total stranger begins a post to me by insulting me, yes, I am always this butthurt.

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Have you ever posted anything positive ever?
I have no idea what that means.

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Maybe it's a big deal, but it was a vote. Do you have a problem with the legitimate exercise of municipal power? This isn't criminals ripping them down illegally. You grew up in New Orleans? Were you traumatized when you found out Lee Circle used to be Tivoli Circle? Were you aghast at the out of control power hungry charlatans who ERASED that beautiful Italian history? Everyone knows that there are no more Italians in NOLA!!!!

shite comes and shite goes. I hate these leftist dipshits more than anyone on here. But not only do I think you're overstating their "power", I just couldn't give 2 shits about what happens to statues of traitors - especially not if it was the result of a "unanimous vote".
My concern has nothing to do with any of that.

My concern is that the people behind this movement are, IMO, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE people. I'm talking about the intellectuals behind the Leftist political movement. They're poorly educated, only moderately intelligent, poorly read, have no sense or awareness or knowledge of history, their values are un-American, and they are anti-white racist AF. They will destroy this country if allowed to go on, and what they will replace it with will resemble a 3rd world African nation. And that won't be good for anyone, including blacks. Blacks who live in America now are the most prosperous blacks of African descent in the history of the world. You think that will continue if these poorly educated, poorly read, dim bulb fricksticks are allowed to take over?
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Shorty_price
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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We need a war.


We need more Lees and Jacksons.


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Big Scrub TX
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When a total stranger begins a post to me by insulting me, yes, I am always this butthurt.
Pot? Kettle?

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I have no idea what that means.
Sure you do. All you ever do is start pearl-clutching threads about the most negative shite in the world. It's fine. I like realism. But might not hurt to see some good somewhere sometime.

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My concern is that the people behind this movement are, IMO, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE people.
Many of them, yes. But I'm sure the vast majority are young dopes just like young dopes from every generation. Plus the ever-present "we want it to be like WE did the 60s" crowd.

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I'm talking about the intellectuals behind the Leftist political movement.
Yes. But you should try listening to some of their peers on the other side. Thomas Sowell. Glenn Loury. John McWhorter. It'll do your soul some good.

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They're poorly educated, only moderately intelligent, poorly read
Well, I doubt that's true.

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have no sense or awareness or knowledge of history,
Here's where I think the rub is. Yes, they VASTLY over-correct. But many on the "other side" simply refuse to acknowledge anything about American history other than incurious hagiography. I get that the current moment simply doesn't lend itself to people coming together, but I wish that more reasonable people on the right would be open to learning some harsh truths.

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their values are un-American
Eh. The most I'll say is their values do not create a vision of America that I would like to live in. But "un-American"? What ARE American values? The ugly side of that history of ours greatly complicates that question.

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They will destroy this country if allowed to go on
I think it's always darkest before the dawn. I think they are way overplaying their hand.

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3rd world African nation
Nah.

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And that won't be good for anyone, including blacks. The blacks who live in America are the most prosperous blacks of African descent in the history of the world. you think that will continue if these poorly educated, poorly read, dim bulb fricksticks are allowed to take over?

They won't take over. Their temper tantrum is already about to ruin them.


L.A.
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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Yes. But you should try listening to some of their peers on the other side. Thomas Sowell. Glenn Loury. John McWhorter. It'll do your soul some good.
I was reading Sowell before you were born in all likelihood. And I'm a big fan of McWhorter, and he opposes this shite as much as I do

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Sure you do. All you ever do is start pearl-clutching threads about the most negative shite in the world. It's fine. I like realism. But might not hurt to see some good somewhere sometime.
When I post on this board, my posts are almost always in two areas: Either the un-American, nefarious activities of the Left, or the abdication by the media of their proper function in order to serve as propagandists for the Left.

If you find that to be negative, it's probably because you sympathize with the people I loathe
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