re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues

The South took heavier casualties per capita. Either way, it was the bloodiest war we’ve fought.

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Up goes Floyd statues.

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Over a year sober!!

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I am still bothered by people who don't know history claiming the war started because of slavery

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It is a paradox. The war's "engine" was the deep divisions between North and South - industry and agriculture, Catholic and Protestant, both related to slavery and the nation's broader reliance on the goods produced by slavery both for direct export and to make finished goods (largely in the North). It was the metaphorical "tiger by the tail" by the nation and we failed to reason our way out of it.

So, it is fair to say that the "engine" of the Civil Was was the broad-based range of division. But its fuel was slavery. Without a doubt.

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I, too, feel the best way to tell your complete history is by erasing the parts of it you don't like or agree with.

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On the one hand i get this on the other if you're learning history from statues something is very wrong

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Does the big immigration wave of the late 19th-early 20th century occur absent the Civil War?

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Might have been affected the total numbers, some, but wouldn't have changed the population arc as much.

Gavrilo Princep in Sarajevo.

You are no student of history.

Also, I am not a confederacy advocate, but the South hardly tried to overthrow the government.

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It's not an intelligent thought. Removing a statue has very little to do with this quote. Get back to me when nobody knows who Lee is. (Hint: that will be never)

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I don't know why you try so hard to be an a-hole when you post on here. Are you this insufferable IRL?

This is about control. The Left has power right now. They're using it. I don't have a personal attachment to Confederate statues. Even though I grew up in New Orleans, my sympathies were always with the Union. Still are. I do think the Confederate states had a right to secede, but their cause was not one I identify with.

But Lee and Jackson being removed from Charlottesville? That's a big deal. That shows a lot of power, and my opinion of the people wielding the power is even lower than my opinion of the people in the Confederacy.

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Are you this butthurt about everything IRL?

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When a total stranger begins a post to me by insulting me, yes, I am always this butthurt.

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Have you ever posted anything positive ever?

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I have no idea what that means.

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Maybe it's a big deal, but it was a vote. Do you have a problem with the legitimate exercise of municipal power? This isn't criminals ripping them down illegally. You grew up in New Orleans? Were you traumatized when you found out Lee Circle used to be Tivoli Circle? Were you aghast at the out of control power hungry charlatans who ERASED that beautiful Italian history? Everyone knows that there are no more Italians in NOLA!!!!

shite comes and shite goes. I hate these leftist dipshits more than anyone on here. But not only do I think you're overstating their "power", I just couldn't give 2 shits about what happens to statues of traitors - especially not if it was the result of a "unanimous vote".

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My concern has nothing to do with any of that.

My concern is that the people behind this movement are, IMO, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE people. I'm talking about the intellectuals behind the Leftist political movement. They're poorly educated, only moderately intelligent, poorly read, have no sense or awareness or knowledge of history, their values are un-American, and they are anti-white racist AF. They will destroy this country if allowed to go on, and what they will replace it with will resemble a 3rd world African nation. And that won't be good for anyone, including blacks. Blacks who live in America now are the most prosperous blacks of African descent in the history of the world. You think that will continue if these poorly educated, poorly read, dim bulb fricksticks are allowed to take over?

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When a total stranger begins a post to me by insulting me, yes, I am always this butthurt.

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Pot? Kettle?

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I have no idea what that means.

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Sure you do. All you ever do is start pearl-clutching threads about the most negative shite in the world. It's fine. I like realism. But might not hurt to see some good somewhere sometime.

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My concern is that the people behind this movement are, IMO, HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE people.

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Many of them, yes. But I'm sure the vast majority are young dopes just like young dopes from every generation. Plus the ever-present "we want it to be like WE did the 60s" crowd.

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I'm talking about the intellectuals behind the Leftist political movement.

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Yes. But you should try listening to some of their peers on the other side. Thomas Sowell. Glenn Loury. John McWhorter. It'll do your soul some good.

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They're poorly educated, only moderately intelligent, poorly read

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Well, I doubt that's true.

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have no sense or awareness or knowledge of history,

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Here's where I think the rub is. Yes, they VASTLY over-correct. But many on the "other side" simply refuse to acknowledge anything about American history other than incurious hagiography. I get that the current moment simply doesn't lend itself to people coming together, but I wish that more reasonable people on the right would be open to learning some harsh truths.

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their values are un-American

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Eh. The most I'll say is their values do not create a vision of America that I would like to live in. But "un-American"? What ARE American values? The ugly side of that history of ours greatly complicates that question.

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They will destroy this country if allowed to go on

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I think it's always darkest before the dawn. I think they are way overplaying their hand.

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3rd world African nation

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Nah.

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And that won't be good for anyone, including blacks. The blacks who live in America are the most prosperous blacks of African descent in the history of the world. you think that will continue if these poorly educated, poorly read, dim bulb fricksticks are allowed to take over?

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They won't take over. Their temper tantrum is already about to ruin them.

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

-George Orwell, 1984

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Scary isn’t it?