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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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We really need two countries.


No, we need to exterminate our enemies (not opponents, ENEMIES) within our own walls. Dealing with external threats is enough of a task to face; doing so while ignoring the threats within is a guaranteed recipe for failure.


Lima Whiskey
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
There’s no living with these people. They are what they are.

They won’t change.


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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
If Stacy Abram’s wins the governorship here in Georgia, Stone Mountain will be sandblasted within 30 days.

If she doesn’t, it’s still coming down in about five years


wackatimesthree
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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the war was not just abut slavery

the north had slaves. lincoln gave zero fricks about slaves and wanted them sent back to africa he only cared about the union. educate yourself and read his words.

blacks owned saves in the south. less than 7% of southerners owned slaves. they fought for family and state


They fought for propaganda, the same reason almost anybody volunteers to fight a war.

Lincoln isn't the one who seceded. I already quoted the Vice President of the damn Confederacy. If you won't believe him I don't know what to tell you.


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Not happening. He disappeared faster than Samantha after a nose twitch.


LOL.

Some of us have to work. Then there are Democrats on handouts who can post on a message board all day without having to be anywhere.

How is the SNAP soda today, BTW?

I probably don't have to point out that Carl Marx never led a rebellion against any government, I said "commonplace" (you can edit that part out, but I still typed it, and that Benedict Arnold chainsaw statue was almost certainly not commissioned with taxpayer money, as it looks like the chainsaw statue of Bear Bryant that used to be in the mall in Tuscaloosa.

And if I'm wrong about that I will agree that we need statues (it must be statues, not books or films or anything else) on highly visible public property to preserve history if you will agree that Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee were traitors to their country.



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The left always tries to erase history. They are kind of like the Taliban in that regard.

They are not erasing history - at least not in this case.

They are changing whom we memorialize as our values change. These men fought for the odious institution of slavery. In my opinion, they should not be memorialized. Their odious actions and choices should be taught as part of history, and that's just what is beng done.

It's remarkable to me that so many of you, most of whom surely think slavery in 1860 was wrong, still think we should have statues of the folks who defended slavery.


Lima Whiskey
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You’re not a southerner, so I think I you’ll never be able to understand.

I would suggest moving to New York City, you’ll be more at home there.


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LSUconvert
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most of whom surely think slavery in 1860 was wrong


You're giving the people on this board way too much credit.


VBFlorida
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
Read Shelby Foote or S Ambrose neither says the war was over slavery.
R E Lee was loved by Union officers ( many whom he taught with at West Point) or served with in The Mexican War.
Union soldiers loved Stonewall Jackson and many cried upon news of his death. Both were native sons of Virginia!


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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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Good for the town. I typically find when you're arguing for the white supremacists it's not the right side to be on.


who are these white Supremacist you speak of?
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Pettifogger
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They are not erasing history - at least not in this case.

They are changing whom we memorialize as our values change. These men fought for the odious institution of slavery. In my opinion, they should not be memorialized. Their odious actions and choices should be taught as part of history, and that's just what is beng done.

It's remarkable to me that so many of you, most of whom surely think slavery in 1860 was wrong, still think we should have statues of the folks who defended slavery.



Eh, I mean this is a good basis for making the move

But this probably isn't the actual basis for making the move

And I disagree, the left is intent on stripping nuance from history and labeling it objectively bad so that can eliminate the lessons/guidance from those times. They're not removing the statue to move on and celebrate something else. They're moving the statue for the same reason people get beheaded or hung from overpasses - it signifies that they were obviously bad/wrong/not to be listened to or respected. It's a discrediting move in order to usher in something equally vile in idea, if not in practice.


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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
I wonder if I could get one of them for my yard…


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"a major step forward toward telling a more complete history of our community."


A "more complete history" by leaving stuff out.

Makes sense.


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Freauxzen
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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These men fought for the odious institution of slavery.


The amount of leaders, military or not, who stood for, fought for and did some problematic actions is a lot longer of a list than "The Confederacy." This stuff is a part of history. It's a part of knowing where we were and where we are.

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still think we should have statues of the folks who defended slavery.


This wasn't all they stood for, or all they did. It was one part of their complicated lives - complicated lives that we all share. It's best to be precise about history, not to create politicized narratives of it. There are lots and lots of regrets in there that we have to understand.

Why don't we tear down every politician who celebrated Robert Byrd, you know, like our current President?

ETA: I would very much for re-orienting history correctly. Placing these sorts of things in correct contexts, which may mean moving statues (I would never tear down to destroy). However, this is ALL politicized. This is all about narrative control and division. This has 0 to do with an honest conversation about ourselves and history. As much as people want to think that's what this is. It isn't. It's about division, not unity. Strangely enough.
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Lima Whiskey
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
They hate the South, and they hate Southerners.

If you destroy our history, you destroy our culture, and we will disappear. And that’s what they want.

They want us dead and gone.


Pettifogger
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If you destroy our history, you destroy our culture, and we will disappear. And that’s what they want.



I generally agree

That said, I care more about the Christian identity and American identity than I do a southern or white identity. Of course, they're coming for all of those. The statues and the attack on Civil War figures doesn't personally bother me in substance, but I am leery of it because it's obviously a step toward attacks on revolutionary figures and constitutional ideals and Christian values, etc. etc.


Freauxzen
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That said, I care more about the Christian identity and American identity than I do a southern or white identity. Of course, they're coming for all of those. The statues and the attack on Civil War figures doesn't personally bother me in substance, but I am leery of it because it's obviously a step toward attacks on revolutionary figures and constitutional ideals and Christian values, etc. etc.


Southerners are an easy target.

Christians are up next.


Pettifogger
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
I'm kind of surprised they're spending much time on us at all TBH, southerners have been largely discredited for decades

But it's probably to get the masses use to saying "oh well he wasn't a very nice guy so a mob tearing down that statue in the middle of the night isn't the worst thing ever." That way when we're tearing down pieces of churches or statues of Washington you'll just roll your eyes and go "well they're at it again I guess"


Lima Whiskey
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American identity


I don’t know.

I’m a Southerner, and I’m a Virginian, but what does America mean to me?

Is it the endlessly consumer and mercantile society that the North built, after the Civil War? Is it New York City, and the people who live there? Is it Silicon Valley, and California?
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