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Pettifogger
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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I don’t know.

I’m a Southerner, and I’m a Virginian, but what does America mean to me?

Is it the endlessly consumer and mercantile society that the North built, after the Civil War? Is it New York City, and the people who live there? Is it Silicon Valley, and California?


I get the idea, but you now live in a blue state with some of the bluest of the blue and swampiest of the swamp. So looking at America's current state and questioning that identity I understand, but wouldn't the same apply to VA?

Anyway, America to me: The country that popularized radical ideas of liberalism, like pluralism and being guided by reason and celebrating the individual while still honoring your God and contributing to your community. A country that for a long time put family on a pedestal, that more or less saved the world a couple of times, that for all its faults acted often in its best interest with the goal of limiting the harm to others (a pretty radically western concept that is still not universally shared).

You can say those things aren't around anymore, and that half the country doesn't celebrate them and you're right. But that's still the identity I care about most that is coming under attack (to be contrasted with being southern, or being white). For example, I have no real pride in being white. I have no shame either, it's just not something that means anything to me or provides any unity with other white people. It just is.


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This is a republic at work. If the citizens of the city don't like it, they can vote the city council out next time around.

None of my business. I have my own corrupt clown show of a city council to vote against


This.

They did it via legal means. It wasn’t torn down by rioters or removed in the middle of the night by order of the mayor.


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but wouldn't the same apply to VA?


Most of the people who live in Virginia aren’t Virginians.

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America to me


I realized it when the BLM riots broke out, but I just don’t care about those other people anymore.

For me, that sense of common bond.

It’s completely gone.


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The amount of leaders, military or not, who stood for, fought for and did some problematic actions is a lot longer of a list than "The Confederacy." This stuff is a part of history. It's a part of knowing where we were and where we are.

Yep. Do you think a memorial of Hitler is cool? Did you cheer when they tore down the Saddam Hussein statues?

Do you understand that there is a difference between ackowledging history and memorializing someone?

If Canada had invaded America, killed your grandpa and raped your grandma, then built a statue of Tredeau in Jackson Square wouldn't you want to rip it down?


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Lee and Jackson were great men. And men we should all strive to emulate.

If you don’t believe that, then you’re not someone I want to associate with.
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
i'd like one of those statues for my front yard....you think they'd give me one?


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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
Jackson and Lee were such better men than 99.9% of the people who are honored. So many people have no clue as to their character or thoughts but just judge men of the 1800's through the lens of wokeness.


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Woke people have uniformly awful character.


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Lima Whiskey
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The Richmond statues are at a city trash facility, next to the river
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This.

They did it via legal means.


Pathetic.


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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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If Canada had invaded America, killed your grandpa and raped your grandma, then built a statue of Tredeau in Jackson Square wouldn't you want to rip it down?



Not really getting how this is similar to tearing down a statue of Lee in his home state in a town that honored him for decades and decades until it became unacceptable to acknowledges his qualities.


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They dismantled monument street?


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Most of the people who live in Virginia aren’t Virginians.


This is sad


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If the southern states were fighting for state's rights, why did they object strenuously to northern states having the ability to make laws freeing slaves who made it inside their borders?


I'm afraid that the one who failed history ....was the author of this tripe.

The North was violating the laws that had been written to keep the slaves in the south. VIOLATING THE LAWS PASSED BY CONGRESS.

Escape slaves were not returned to the owners in the south ....they were kept in the north.

The North then violated state's rights laws by allowing northern abolitionists the right to cross into the south, raid border towns, loot, destroy and kill in search of slaves to free .....then denying the warrants served to bring the known trespassers to justice.

If the North is so grand ...let's try this on for size ...
Lincoln proposes an idea to Congress. Congress agrees ...(no southern states seated or represented) ...and approves the funds to build new slave ships ....violating laws to prevent the building of ships to be used to transport slaves ... however the new intent was transport FREED Slaves to Latin America. The explosion within the White House, by the black leaders at the time resulted in the leaders to storm out of the White House in anger.

Shortly afterward .... Lincoln presents the Emancipation Proclamation Act. So bad was the north regarding the black escapees, manufacturing would not hire them to work while white workers were fighting on the front.

The northern racism does'nt stop there. Jackie Robinson had to be taken around to the back door kitchen entries at the hotels the ball club stayed in while in New York ...Yeah, the northern mind creates their own version of misguided history......You need to buy several books and actually read instead of watching cartoons on the history channel ...Your historical knowledge is miserable.


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Lima Whiskey
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Yes

They hadn’t taken down Lee yet, last I heard. And I don’t know how they handled the war memorial with the Jefferson Davis statue.

AP Hills statue is still there in Richmond, but only because he’s buried underneath it. They’re figuring out a way to dig him up.
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conservativewifeymom
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No, it's another step in erasing big portions of history and desecrating what's most sacred. It's what communists do beautifully!


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Lima Whiskey
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We never stopped honoring him, and we won’t.

We were just overwhelmed by a massive wave of transplants, people from the North, who are taking our culture apart, piece by piece.

Maybe we make them feel inferior. I don’t know. They hate us though.


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TallulahtheTiger
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No, we need to exterminate our enemies


Okay, it's one thing to advocade this in theory, but when we get down to the actual business of murder, terror & genocide, your call-to-arms leaves several pertinent questions unanswered.

What method(s) do you believe should be employed in this extirmation project? Are we talking mass arrests & deportations? Show trials & public denunciations? Forced marches? Forced-labor camps? Gas chambers? Lining people up beside open pits & spraying them with bullets? After all, there are plenty of historical examples to choose from: the Holocaust of 1938-45 the Cultural Revolution of 1966-76, Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal of 1837-38, Armenia/Turkey 1915, Bosnia/Yugoslavia 1994-95, Rwanda 1994.

What would qualify an American as one of these internal enemies? Is it a matter of skin color, ethnic identity or language or sexuality? Or simply a matter of espousing alien or incorrect political ideology? Suspect occupation or career, like journalist or professor?

And then, how, precisely, would you sort the enemies from the worthy? Simple litmus test, or would it be the result of information gathered by surveillance & investigations? Or would Americans simply be ordered to turn in suspects to police?

And then, do you advocate carrying out this extermination by legal means - e.g., with trials & executions - or extrajudicial means such as pogroms, arson & random gunfire?

It's easy to advocate mass murder, but the devil as always is in the details.


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Big Scrub TX
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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We need a war.
You lost. Deal with it.


Big Scrub TX
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re: Charlottesville unanimously votes to remove Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson statues
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I had the same thought
It's not an intelligent thought. Removing a statue has very little to do with this quote. Get back to me when nobody knows who Lee is. (Hint: that will be never)


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