re: Charlie Kirk: You Cannot Be a Christian and Vote Democrat

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So man-made laws dictate Christian beliefs?

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They certainly should be taken into account. You had Christians in a pagan Roman Empire trying to figure out that balance as well. A much more heady struggle than the one we face. That’s probably too much nuance for you.

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No, and I already covered that

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No, you didn’t.

From the comments section under the video

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A Christian Democrat is like saying gays for Palestine.

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You had Christians in a pagan Roman Empire trying to figure out that balance as well.

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Literally the passage I quoted, for this exact reason (living a Christian life and living a political life were/are 2 different things).

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They certainly should be taken into account.

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So now, we should permit interaction with Christianity and government, except (1) the individuals promoting policy can curate which parts of the Bible apply and (2) man-made laws should be taken into account in defining what Christian beliefs are.

I can only imagine the implications of such a system.

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It's the fully-contained construct that creates the problems, not method of communication to followers.

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This is just made up psycho babble. It doesn’t have any intrinsic meaning.

Charlie should be your savior
He should be at your pearly gates
Charlie gets to judge
According to Trump he's a hustler or a sucker. (Hustler vote here)

I'm following the other Guy

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What your'e missing is that Christianity is about personal, private behavior. It might tell me that lying about why I was late is wrong, but it's silent when it comes to what sort of government regulation I'd like to see when it comes to lying.

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I don't think you're disagreeing with me, then.

I am arguing religion is private for individuals and government is separate from that.

That sort of personal/private regulation is exactly what religion is for.

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I am arguing religion is private for individuals and government is separate from that.

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But it's neither separate nor directly coupled.

We all have world views/belief systems. Yours influence the sort of government you want, and so do mine. Everybody has "religion".

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I don't think immigration laws have anything to do with religion.

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It does and it does not. You are looking for specific citation of something that wasn't specified in the Bible. Laws back then to do not always translate to laws today.

Now we know borders did exist then.

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Paul explained the order of creation, proclaiming, “From one man, He (God) made every nation of mankind to inhabit the face of the earth. He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation”

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Scripture reveals that after the dispersion at the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1–9), the people were appointed diverse languages and consequently started congregating with their respective groups. This divine intervention by God was intended to foster separation among people and establish distinct boundaries for their dwelling places. By delving into these Scriptures, we gain valuable insights into the significance of borders.

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Moreover, as we acknowledge that illegal immigration is a violation of the law, we must not lose sight of the humanity inherent in others. They are individuals — men, women, and children — who possess an intrinsic value and worth bestowed upon them by God. This necessitates a form of response from both the government and its citizens that safeguards the rights of all, upholds the rule of law, and embodies compassion and grace.

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And one can easily argue the harm of illegal immigration on the immigrants themselves, and the prolifieration thereof, increases the sin committed against them. Once can also argue that the very act of illegal immigration is considered stealing of taxpayers dollars, considering they are breaking established laws and seeking benefits from our taxes.

However, all Christians should help those seeking need. I'd argue that you can shelter and comfort illegals while not voting for Democrats and sealing our border. Meanwhile you encourage those illegals to take back their country, with our help, so they can secure a better life for themselves.

You don't help anyone by giving them things without consequence.

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Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. - Ephesians

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For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. 2nd Thessalonians

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Whatever answer you seek, can be found in the Bible. You just have to know how to look for it.

If there was a specific passage about illegal immigration in the Bible that you are looking for, would you then support it?