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re: Charlie Kirk: You Cannot Be a Christian and Vote Democrat
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Romans 13:2
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:56 pm to the808bass
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I think this post accurately sums up your complete and utter lack of understanding religion.
The question was about political views, not Christianity.
The fact that the person is allowed to ignore parts of Christianity, by default, makes it not a religious question.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:57 pm to AUbused
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done more to damage the church than anyone in recent history
Trump doesn't even claim to be a member of "the Curch" (whatever that means). There are several "Reverends" and Cardinals who say "Hey"
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:58 pm to BugAC
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However, political actions such as promoting transgenderism/abortion/child abuse, definitely is in the realm of God
In a moral sense? Sure
In a governmental sense? Not as strong of an argument
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and a much bigger issue than illegal immigration, in terms of faith and the Spirit.
Correct, in terms of faith and the spirit. I have never once disagreed with any of that. That's solidly the realm of religion.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
I cannot in good faith vote democrats. Not with their anti God stances. Politically instituting their agenda is all we have seen. That is my faith. That is as Christian as I get.
You can ask whataboutisms all day.
You can ask whataboutisms all day.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
That quote doesn’t defend democrats. What democrat belief does the Bible support ? Not abortion , not same sex marriage , not more then 2 genders .
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
In a governmental sense? Not as strong of an argument. Is this the argument?
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The fact that the person is allowed to ignore parts of Christianity, by default, makes it not a religious question.
We’re not Muslims. Our religion isn’t “inscripturated” (as Boorstin phrased it). Interpreting Scripture isn’t “ignoring parts of Christianity.”
Some Christians would argue I should be following Proverbs 26:4 in this thread. I would counter that I should follow Proverbs 26:5.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The fact that the person is allowed to ignore parts of Christianity,
Jesus only gave TWO commandments besides the Great Commission. Which one's are Christians ignoring?
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
There isn't.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What is the Christian argument against illegal immigration?
Succinctly:
1) OT Israel (a Theocracy so not everything extrapolates directly to Gentile nations but the principles are right and just) - Num. 15:16, "There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the stranger who resides with you.’" IOW, foreigners who entered OT Israel had to assimilate.
2) Walls and gates were noble structures in Scripture. See for example Wayne Grudem's article at: Why Building a Border Wall Is a Morally Good Action. So foreigners entering Israel's territory and cities would be expected to enter through a gate.
3) It was a disgrace for their land to be be overrun with foreigners. See Is. 1:7,
"Your land is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
foreigners devour your fields
before your very eyes—
a desolation demolished by foreigners."
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God
-Jesus
As a preacher of 40 years let me explain why you do not really grasp what this means friendo. So, to save time I will Copy & Paste an overview of the conflict between Jesus and the Pharisees, if you know that context simply skip to my point at the bottom.
Contextual Conflict
“Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God” is a response from Jesus in the Bible to religious leaders who asked him if it was right to pay taxes to Caesar, the Roman ruler of Palestine. The Pharisees and Herodians posed Jesus with a trick question that could lead to either arrest or accusations: if Jesus said “no,” the Herodians would charge him with treason, and if he said “yes,” the Pharisees would accuse him of disloyalty to the Jewish people. Jesus knew they were trying to trap him, so he didn't debate. Instead, he asked to see the coin they would use to pay the tax, and when they showed him a Roman denarius with Caesar's image on it, he said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"
The answer to what Jesus really meant:
Now what did Jesus just say to the Pharisees? He told them that nothing was Caesars and all was God's, you just missed his point. Who was Jesus speaking unto? The Pharisees and the Religious leaders of his day, and thus what are "these Pharisees taught"? That everything is Gods, even the land of Israel is Gods, the first-fruits or tithes are God's not mans, so here is what Jesus really told them.
Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's (NOTHING as they well knew) and give unto God what is God's (EVERYTHING as they well knew).
So, you pop that point out, and do not even understand Jesus' point my friend. And by the way, there are many evil republicans, but Charlie is correct, ANY MAN that votes in the Abortion (Murder) party and Homosexual pervert party is guilty of murder and advocating for Sodom and Gomorrah in our nation, and you can be Mother Mary, if you do not repent of these things you will not make it to heaven. That is why only 5 of the 10 virgins make it to the Wedding, the doors will be locked and half of the 2 billion "Christians" will be like, but Jesus we did this, this and this in your name, and he will say "DEPART from me for I never knew you"
So you really thought Jesus was saying anything other than all things are God's? Really, come on man. People better wake up soon, by 2034, the 7 Years of the 70th week will have ended, YOU DO THE MATH !!!
This post was edited on 8/7/24 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In a moral sense? Sure
In a governmental sense? Not as strong of an argument
government is not God, so i don't know why you are approaching it that way and in context of what Kirk said.
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Correct, in terms of faith and the spirit. I have never once disagreed with any of that. That's solidly the realm of religion.
I'm glad you agree. And before you are "government" you are man first. The Bible isn't teaching politics. It doesn't teach government. It teaches the individual how to cleanse their life and soul. The impact of Christianity is on spirit and to that the man. The teachings of Jesus should, then, follow through to whatever career you choose.
FWIW, i don't think any one person can tell another person "you can't be Christian". That in and of itself is not Christian. Anyone can receive God's grace who seeks it. However, the Democrat party isn't wading in the same pool as Christianity. There are many policies that explicitly goes against God and his teachings. Abortion, transgenders, support for NAMBLA and other organizations. While not every Democrat may support those specific issues, the party surely does. THerefore, it's not so much of a stretch to pose the question, can you be a Christian and support the actions that goes against Christ? Falling to sin via mistakes or temptation is one thing, and you can seek forgiveness for that. Actively promoting and persuading others to expand those acts is something I couldn't do in good conscious as a Christian and Catholic.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:08 pm to L.A.
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The fact that the person is allowed to ignore parts of Christianity, by default, makes it not a religious question.
Because you're deliberately drawing as small a circle as possible around "religion" to exempt yourself. You may have even convinced yourself of that.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:08 pm to themunch
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In a governmental sense? Not as strong of an argument. Is this the argument?
Yes. Those laws are somewhat anti-Christian as they remove parental authority over children.
Now the response is a governmental-society one regarding harm to the children/abuse.
The actual jurisprudence in this area is primarily from removing parental authority from one specific sect: Christian scientists. The argument to intervene and remove parental authority is not one typically made relying on Christian scripture as the authority to do so.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:08 pm to the808bass
I went for a run
Where are we at now
Where are we at now
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:10 pm to Pettifogger
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Where are we at now
An atheist attempting to explain Christianity.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:10 pm to BugAC
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The Bible isn't teaching politics. It doesn't teach government. It teaches the individual how to cleanse their life and soul. The impact of Christianity is on spirit and to that the man.
I don't disagree with any of this.
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FWIW, i don't think any one person can tell another person "you can't be Christian". That in and of itself is not Christian
I would agree but I don't really get to make that call.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think he's on board with their agenda or Trump's.
But is someone suggesting that? You're the one who introduced Jesus into the discussion as justification for a follower of Jesus voting democrat.
Beyond that, there are notable moral differences between the two and and different trajectories.
God has a design for nations. You'll never get there following the democrat agenda. You might preserve the opportunity to get there supporting Trump.
We're largely voting on the future of voting in '24.
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