re: Charlie Kirk: You Cannot Be a Christian and Vote Democrat

I'd wager heavily that Trump is indeed SAVED.

Anyone that calls upon the name of Jesus Christ, GOD in flesh, and ask's HIM for forgiveness from their Sins and declares their Faith and Trust in Christ alone, Shall Be Saved.

That's a promise from GOD.


Just because he's a Republican and you detest him, doesn't make him a sinner. GOD doesn't look upon him any different than any other Christian that has been Redeemed.

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Just because he's a Republican and you detest him, doesn't make him a sinner.

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Oh, he's a sinner. No question. As we ALL are.

Don't start thinking Trump or any Republicans are "sinless". The Bible clearly says otherwise.

Charlie really knows his scripture. Pretty impressive. I always knew he was a very devout Christian, but he also seems like one of the very knowledgeable ones.

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IS he currently? No fricking way

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Romans 10:9-13 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Of course.

The question really comes down to the principles that Kirk cited, and I think it's impossible to ignore that what he stated goes against GOD.


The problem I've noticed for many Liberal Progressives is that their Faith comes second to their Politics. I've actually seen a Liberal talk about leaving the Baptist Church for a Church that aligns more towards their Politics.

That Church is called "Staying Home" Because if that's what you are going to GOD's House for, you might as well not even bother.

And further, church's that pick and choose what to preach from The Bible are not churches where the Holy Spirit dwells.

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I just left my church and church group bc I agree with this. I don't mind liberals that much if they're friendly but I can't stand Christian liberals

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While Jesus was not a "socialist" because he was apolitical, his teachings directly contradict much of the core beliefs of conservatives.

Jesus' motivations and actions were compassion and caring for the needs of others.

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All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. (Acts 2:44-47)

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

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"No one can serve two masters," Jesus says in Matthew 6:24. "Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

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Luke 12:15, Jesus says, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.'"

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Pope Leo XIII (1810-1903) -- often called the "workers' pope" -- echoed similar ideas. His 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum ("On the Condition of Labor") focused attention on the dehumanizing conditions in which many workers labored. He affirmed workers' rights to just wages, rest, and fair treatment, to form unions, and to strike if necessary. He called on governments to promote a more equal distribution of resources and said, in particular, that the poor "have a claim to special consideration." He did not espouse socialism, but his attacks on capitalism for its endorsement of greed, its concentration of wealth, and its mistreatment of workers had a major influence on the emerging socialist movement in Europe and America.

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Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), an American Baptist minister, was a leading Christian socialist. Like Pope Leo, he championed the rights of working people and a more equal distribution of wealth and income, which he believed reflected Jesus' teachings. In 1891, Bellamy was fired from his Boston pulpit for preaching against the evils of capitalism and describing Jesus as a socialist. But he's best known as the author of the "Pledge of Allegiance," which he wrote in 1892 as an antidote to Gilded Age greed, misguided materialism, and hyper-individualism, reflected in those radical words "with liberty and justice for all." (Ironically, Bellamy did not include the words "under God" in the original Pledge. They were added by Congress in 1953 at the height of the Cold War).

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Preach it.

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While Jesus was not a "socialist" because he was apolitical, his teachings directly contradict much of the core beliefs of conservatives.

Jesus' motivations and actions were compassion and caring for the needs of others.

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Not at all. Most conservatives deeply believe in compassion and caring for others needs. They just don't want it forced upon people, and done by the government. They want to do it voluntarily, and individually. And through churches, which actually do a great job of it.

Which incidentally, is EXACTLY what Jesus preached. Show me one scripture where Jesus taught that the government should be responsible for caring for the needs of others.

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Why listen to this guy? Christians used to be taught not to JUDGE another's salvation.

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Well we can't judge whether a person goes to heaven or not, because we do not know whether they repent or not, but we most assuredly are called to CALL OUT EVIL, we are commanded to do so in Ezekiel 3:18 and if we do not call it out their blood will be on our hands.

18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Just a heads up, God NEVER CHANGES, he's the same in the Old Testament and the New Testament. In the old test. they had to have faith in the PROMISED REDEEMER, whereas we can plead the blood in past tense. SAME THING, the Promised Redeemer and the one who Redeemed is was Jesus/Yeshua which means Salvation in Hebrew. Thus Jesus is in the old test. in many places where the patriarchs talked about dying and said things like when that event happens my Yeshua (Salvation) will carry me across the river (into eternity).

Over and over John, Paul the Prophets told what will carry you to damnation and hell, sexual perversions, murder, hate, anger are all sins and we have to bring them to the Lord every day. So, Kirk is 100 persent correct, if you vote in these evil people, you are bringing evil into this world, if so you must repent from putting people in power who BUTCHER OUR KIDS !! Who murder innocent babies !! Who pushes perversions on our captive kids in school, if you do not understand you have to repent from that then you are not hip my friend. God understands THE HEART, why was David different from Saul? Saul loved his evil, when David was cornered by Nathan for killing Bathsheba's husband, he repented, he did nit try to kill Nathan the prophet to hide his sin like King Herod did by killing John. Being Christlike is not voting in people who prey on our kids and murder innocent babies.

Be a lot of surprised people when the Rapture happens (very soon...you will not see 1 Billion people disappear, our spirit men go to be with the Lord, we leave a dead carcass on this earth. A lot of people are going to be left, THINK One Left and One Taken is is the exact same 50% ratio as those who miss the Marriage.

I found this to be a profound discussion re policy vs personality