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re: Can’t congress pass a law making abortion legal nationwide?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:29 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:29 am to jimmy the leg
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But using federal funding as a cudgel only makes sense as long as “your side” has power.
All legislation has this issue.
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Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:30 am to Dawgfanman
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So democrats lack the political will to protect “womens’ rights”?
What is that
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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All legislation has this issue.
Are you seriously equating the abortion issue to all other legislation?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did that argument work for Jim Crow laws?
Pesky 14th Amendment, which SCOTUS says doesn't apply here.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:36 am to udtiger
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Pesky 14th Amendment, which SCOTUS says doesn't apply here.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:37 am to jimmy the leg
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Are you seriously equating the abortion issue to all other legislation?
In a thread talking about the power/legality of creating legislation?
...Yes?
The subject matter of the law isn't the issue of this discussion. Abortion isn't special.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:37 am to NC_Tigah
No constitutional right to abortion.
Therefore, not subject to due process clause of 14th.
Therefore, not subject to due process clause of 14th.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:38 am to udtiger
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Pesky 14th Amendment, which SCOTUS says doesn't apply here.
Already discussed in this thread.
Read Hearts of Altanta Motel. USSC says the CRA was lawfully passed by Congress using ICC power (not the 14A).
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:39 am to udtiger
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No constitutional right to abortion.
Therefore, not subject to due process clause of 14th.
This is about Congressional power to legislate, not the judicial power to oversee.
Plus your argument is already DOA. The CRA was passed with ICC power, so the 14A isn't even a necessary point of discussion.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:42 am to MMauler
The oly solution is baby factories like in Brave New World. You can frick anyone you want with no attachments or repercussions. No marriage, no extended family, no kids because the are not yours and no parents. Just people fricking for the sake of fricking.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
I guess we shall see.
If a state defines abortion as murder, I don't think the ICC is going to be a legitimate vehicle for the feds to make murder legal in a state.
If a state defines abortion as murder, I don't think the ICC is going to be a legitimate vehicle for the feds to make murder legal in a state.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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The CRA was passed with ICC power,
And because it isn't tied the Constitution, it can be removed by Congress as quickly as it was granted by Congress.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 am to udtiger
quote:The question posed is not of rights of the mother, but rather rights of her female fetus.
Therefore, not subject to due process clause of 14th.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:43 am to udtiger
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If a state defines abortion as murder, I don't think the ICC is going to be a legitimate vehicle for the feds to make murder legal in a state.
Why?
I'll give an example: can states use the death penalty for rape?
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 am to TrueTiger
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And because it isn't tied the Constitution, it can be removed by Congress as quickly as it was granted by Congress.
Yes we are talking about legislation in a thread titled, "Can’t congress pass a law making abortion legal nationwide?"
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:44 am to NC_Tigah
Ah, yes. A different issue.
If a state defines a fetus as a "person" that would further complicate the ICC gambit.
If a state defines a fetus as a "person" that would further complicate the ICC gambit.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'll give an example: can states use the death penalty for rape?
Wanna tell me the argument that would be advanced against that?
Hint...8th Amendment.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:46 am to TrueTiger
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The CRA was passed with ICC power, And because it isn't tied the Constitution, it can be removed by Congress as quickly as it was granted by Congress.
This seems like something they should focus on correcting. All these “rights” and powers that have been tied to the ICC power are in danger
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:46 am to udtiger
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I don't think the ICC is going to be a legitimate vehicle for the feds to make murder legal in a state.
The ICC is a magic wand that SCOTUS invented out of thin air and handed to Congress and they abused the shite out of it.
We the people have been asleep at the wheel and have allowed that abuse to continue.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:46 am to SlowFlowPro
To the original question, they just ruled that Roe was unconstitutional, isn’t under the decree of the Federal Government by the Constitution, and will now be controlled by the States. They could pass something, but they may need to wait till the court members change
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