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Can someone explain the immigration “birthrate” argument to me?

Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:46 pm
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:46 pm
According to leftists and moderates, the west needs to combat declining birth rates with immigration. As the last 15-20 years have shown, that immigration is almost exclusively from third world countries with mostly illiterate, poor immigrants. How on earth would the type of people being imported do anything to offset the alleged effects of birth rate declines including lower tax base, less employees, etc.

In other words, if I have 3 .300 + hitters that can play defense retiring next year, it probably doesn’t do my club any good to put the equipment managers in the lineup as replacements.
This post was edited on 6/2/26 at 2:48 pm
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70355 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:48 pm to
It's just a talking point.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
123209 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:50 pm to
It was regurgitated on here quite a bit until reality has been too stark to ignore.
Posted by TxRan2020
Texas
Member since May 2020
724 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:50 pm to
Seems like a good thing to me, more resources, jobs,housing, etc
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
174118 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:51 pm to
There is a case to be made for legal immigration though
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13882 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:53 pm to
Fun fact: There’s nothing wrong with population flattening out or even slightly declining. We don’t have to keep growing at an unsustainable rate.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
123209 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:53 pm to
Not really. AI is going to make that already silly argument even more obsolete.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
35095 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:53 pm to
You just now are asking this? Welcome to 6 years ago.

Dems are replacing white men with welfare state dependent immigrants to solidify and retain a permanent one party rule. Christian whites are being replaced. That's the goal.
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
26486 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:54 pm to
The real reason they want illegals here is to vote Democrat. While birthrate numbers are declining due to more people having fewer children, the answer is not to bring more people here to increase the birth rate if all they will do is mooch off the system,

How about only allowing new citizenship to young people who can support their own way and will assimilate?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
174118 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:54 pm to
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Not really. AI is going to make that already silly argument even more obsolete.

AI might not turn out to be the job displacing force that everyone thinks it will be

We'll see
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
123209 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:55 pm to
If the tech lords are even half right it will have major effects on the workforce.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17177 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Fun fact: There’s nothing wrong with population flattening out or even slightly declining. We don’t have to keep growing at an unsustainable rate.


I certainly wish Tuscaloosa's population was at the Pre-Saban levels.

WAYYYYY to many people here now, horrible traffic, long waits at restaurants, hugely overpriced real estate.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97326 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:57 pm to
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that immigration is almost exclusively from third world countries with mostly illiterate, poor immigrants.


That is the whole plan. Import people that can’t care for themselves. They throw them a bone for their vote and they retain power.

Oh, and they’re rather stupid so they don’t see they are being hoodwinked and used.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12416 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 2:58 pm to
Importing low IQ, unskilled, uneducated Third Worlders is not the solution.

When AI, Automation, and Advanced Robotics take over we won't need a single one of them. We are going to be stuck with a bunch of low IQ retards. Japan and South Korea are about the only ones who have this figured out. And tell me why do we need any immigration at this point when we already have 30 to 40 million Illegal immigrants here? Make it make sense.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
29779 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:00 pm to
How does bringing millions of people to America and getting them hooked on free handouts help anyone or anything ?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46980 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:01 pm to
Those who look at low birthrates as a reason for importing others don't realize that they are adding people from countries with higher birthrates because those people believe it is a good thing to have children.

If we're going to import people who think it's good to have more children, why not just encourage our own people to consider the blessing of children and encourage them to have more?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
174118 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

If the tech lords are even half right it will have major effects on the workforce.

You would be a fool to take them at their word on anything

They make bold predictions all the time and none of them ever come true
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
123209 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:05 pm to
I use the most recent version of Claude for work. Anyone who thinks this won’t displace millions of jobs is kidding themselves. Claude works faster and more accurate than most admin staff I have dealt with.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28652 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

hat immigration is almost exclusively from third world countries with mostly illiterate, poor immigrants

So all of the immigrant physicians, engineers, business owners and restaurant owners aren't immigrants?

The problem is that you assumption about "mostly illiterate, poor immigrants" is not accurate.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16547 posts
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:17 pm to
They caused the declining birth rates through social engineering.
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