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Can someone explain the animosity towards Government workers?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:32 am
A prevalent sentiment on this board is that private industry is always better than government and that it is the only true source for jobs.
It's true that based on pure job numbers, private industry provides more jobs. But the primary location for private industrial work is in mid to large sized cities. In small rural towns, government based work is the majority of the job market.
Teachers, Construction, Post Office, etc. are all paid for by government in some capacity. (Yes, I know there are private construction companies, but most them work on state contracts)
The irony is that based on urbanization in the US, the Blue states disproportionately have more cities with infrastructure to accommodate private businesses. This isnt to say Red states arent trying (See Texas,Kentucky,snd Georgia) but they are predominantly ruled by their rural inhabitants.
Government is more of a long term investor than an entrepreneur. Many large projects in our physical and medical sciences need funding before they inevitably produce results. Same goes for defense.
And private sector jobs arent always "better". If by better you mean not using your taxes, then you're in for disappointment because the money would probably be spent on another irrelevant project. Many private sector companies (particularly the Walmartd,etc.) can get away with paying low not only due to supply, but because they know the welfare in place will cover whatever they dont want to.
And who pays for this welfare system cushion for big companies, we do of course.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:39 am to volod
You ever watch Parks and Recreation on tv?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:39 am to volod
My personal issue is that govt workers are not treated same as private industry in terms of productivity etc. You can get away with all types of stuff in govt jobs that you could never get away with in private jobs. Poor performers are carried and promoted as an example.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:40 am to volod
I normally enjoy your thought provoking threads even if I disagree with some of your points.
But that was a big pile of dumb.
Your title doesn't even match your post. Animosity towards government works is about the job protections they have that discourage efficiency (or at least do not particularly reward it).
Your post was about the economic benefit of private vs public sector jobs. Which is just dumb. You cannot build an economy off of public sector jobs. Regionally you might (like you say, in rural areas) but that is still a net loss for the state.
Teachers might be an exception because they (at least in theory) make the workforce more efficient by producing more educated workers.
But that was a big pile of dumb.
Your title doesn't even match your post. Animosity towards government works is about the job protections they have that discourage efficiency (or at least do not particularly reward it).
Your post was about the economic benefit of private vs public sector jobs. Which is just dumb. You cannot build an economy off of public sector jobs. Regionally you might (like you say, in rural areas) but that is still a net loss for the state.
Teachers might be an exception because they (at least in theory) make the workforce more efficient by producing more educated workers.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:40 am to volod
Dear God.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:41 am to volod
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Can someone explain the animosity towards Government workers?
The old adage about Gubmit employees is "they're like AF missiles; you can't fire 'em and they don't work."
The Fed is bloated and wastes BILLIONS every year. I'm a federal contractor and work with them and see it everyday. There are a lot of good Gubmit workers but too many are just seat warmers.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:43 am to volod
Government run projects/departments are money pits. If a business runs over budget, it comes out of someone’s pocket or the business goes under. In government, they get more tax payer cash.
They’re always bloated and inefficient, usually by design.
They’re always bloated and inefficient, usually by design.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:43 am to volod
1. the animosity of jealousy. People actually getting retirements with benefits.
2. Some scorn in there too.
Nice piece, op.
2. Some scorn in there too.
Nice piece, op.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:44 am to volod
1. Government agencies employ double the needed body count to do the job costing tax payers unnecessary money.
2. With the large staff, all agencies do not run efficiently causing the folks in the private sector massive amounts of wasted time. Visit any DMV, notice the amount of time it takes to get refunds from taxes, amount of time it takes for road and structural repairs, the list goes on and on.
3. Their pay is not based on job performance. They automatically get raises for time of service even though the service is poo poo.
4. We need less government.
Feel free to add
2. With the large staff, all agencies do not run efficiently causing the folks in the private sector massive amounts of wasted time. Visit any DMV, notice the amount of time it takes to get refunds from taxes, amount of time it takes for road and structural repairs, the list goes on and on.
3. Their pay is not based on job performance. They automatically get raises for time of service even though the service is poo poo.
4. We need less government.
Feel free to add
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:44 am to volod
Every late fall I spend two weeks with different federal agencies from the post office to DOD to social security to the irs.
There's a lot a lazy in all those save for DOD. There's also a lot of entitlement and not my job.
There's a lot a lazy in all those save for DOD. There's also a lot of entitlement and not my job.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 11:51 am
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:44 am to volod
Because they are considered bloated agencies with rampant nepotism and lots of completely worthless people that can’t be fired for laziness or incompetence. I don’t hate all government employees as there are usually a handful that actually work and keep it somewhat functional, but the rest are mostly dead weight just biding time to collect their pensions.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:46 am to volod
If government workers had to compete with private industry workers it would be like college vs pros.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:46 am to volod
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Can someone explain the animosity towards Government workers?
Most of them are lazy as hell.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:54 am to volod
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Can someone explain the animosity towards Government workers?
Have you ever tried to get one to do their job?
Literally everyone in this country has once been told they need government approval to do something truly arbitrary like build a carport, get married, sell their car, etc. Then, when they go to get that approval, has gotten jacked around by some bureaucrat for absolutely no good reason.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:57 am to volod
Lack of oversight and personal responsibility has led to innefieceint and bloated government programs.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:58 am to volod
Go to the DMV then come back and answer your own question.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:02 pm to Friscodog
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You can get away with all types of stuff in govt jobs that you could never get away with in private jobs.
And vice versa.
I've worked in my profession in both the public and private sectors. One thing that really surprised me about the private sector was how often I was 'asked' to do clearly unethical work. I was never asked to do anything unethical when I worked in the public sector.
As far as dead heads go, yes, there seem to be more in the public sector, but that doesn't mean there are none in the private sector. In government, there are laws against nepotism, but not in industry. Frequently it's the son or the in-law that's the dead head and gets carried by the company. I left one company when the dead head son took over after the owner retired. Talk about a clusterfrick. I believe he ended up selling the company his father built.
But in terms of productivity, I believe you generally get what you pay for. There are idealists in gov't that are highly productive, but on the whole, public workers are paid lower than their private counterparts.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:07 pm to BigJim
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normally enjoy your thought provoking threads even if I disagree with some of your points.
I enjoy your responses. And honestly didnt think this thread was THAT bad ( compared to others)
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Your title doesn't even match your post. Animosity towards government works is about the job protections they have that discourage efficiency (or at least do not particularly reward it).
I respect job protections because I admittedly look out for the worker more often. However, I never meant to suggest they shouldn't be productive. Lazy workers come in all forms. Some companies are more strict, but do you really believe all of them are. Especially retail, food service, grocery, etc.
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post was about the economic benefit of private vs public sector jobs. Which is just dumb. You cannot build an economy off of public sector jobs. Regionally you might (like you say, in rural areas) but that is still a net loss for the state.
I completely agree you need private industry to keep any country ( in our case, individual states) to function properly. My example for the rural economy was to demonstrate how many regions of the country rely solely on those jobs, not that they are more productive for the country at large. It was not my intent to confuse.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:08 pm to volod
Because most are unproductive and leach off of taxpayer dollars. It's not very complicated at all.
If you've ever been inside any government run offices and had to deal with them for anything, you would understand this.
If you've ever been inside any government run offices and had to deal with them for anything, you would understand this.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:16 pm to Jumbo_Gumbo
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ever watch Parks and Recreation on tv?
I’ve prefer The Office.
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automatically get raises for time of service even though the service is poo poo.
Not in the State of Louisiana for the last 10 years.
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