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re: Can someone explain the animosity towards Government workers?

Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:28 pm to
Posted by Little Trump
Florida
Member since Nov 2017
5817 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:28 pm to
You’re not very experienced in how it all works!

I’d assume you’re in your 20’s? Although I know some men in 60’s this ignorant too
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
16198 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:33 pm to
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Govt workers typically have a shitty work ethic. Just like union workers.


Can we diferentiate between government employees here? I'm a federal government employee in the law enforcement sector and everyone I know - even including those behind desks - work just as hard as any I knew in the private sector.

Some of us have tough jobs that keep you safe on a day to day basis. We're constantly shite on for being part of a bloated government, but we are not the same as the fat lady behind the desk at the DMV. In fact, those jobs that you regularly see and interact with (like DMV employees) are just a teeny tiny tip of the iceberg.

While there's some shite employees, there's dozens of times more working behind the scenes and busting their asses.
Posted by Tommy2Toes
Member since Oct 2018
20 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:49 pm to
Keep in mind that many "private" jobs these days rely heavily (some very) on government contracts. So even private jobs are now more or less dot gov jobs.
Posted by ILeaveAtHalftime
Member since Sep 2013
2889 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:53 pm to
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Keep in mind that many "private" jobs these days rely heavily (some very) on government contracts. So even private jobs are now more or less dot gov jobs.


100% true. And I’m not just talking about state DOTD/Public Works type contractors, etc


See: population explosion in Northern Virginia.

The amount of government contracted “analysts” and “consultants” has blown the hell up this decade. In addition to our massively bloated Fedgov, there’s now a MASSIVE shadow industry of contractors, lobbyists, advisors, etc.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
17827 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 5:56 pm to
I believe that the government shouldn’t be taking anyone’s income. Tax should be generated from sales tax and maybe tariffs. The government is inefficient and unreliable in a lot of aspects, we have had record tax revenue after the tax cuts, and yet we constantly hear about how taxes need to be raised. Why?
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157788 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:09 pm to
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we just ignore the others
more horse shite
Posted by Rock the Casbah
Member since Dec 2014
940 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:47 pm to
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Keep in mind that many "private" jobs these days rely heavily (some very) on government contracts.


A more interesting question is the difference between consultants/contractors for government versus private business. I’ve seen too many consultants that are just as lazy and inefficient as the government workers they “work” for.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 7:06 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19985 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:28 pm to
The one place govt workers actually get a scorecard similar to the private industry ie money spent versus performance, is our school system.

A MISERABLE FAILURE...

Thus I cant fathom the waste of money and labor in the rest of govt.
Posted by pickle311
Liberty Hill TX
Member since Sep 2008
1350 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 8:40 pm to
Go to the courthouse and try to get anything useful from someone that works there, then return here and answer your own question.
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
7150 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 9:29 pm to
My ex GF is a FedGov employee. She works in IT and has the highest classification short of having an Executive classification. She makes about 125K per year. She is a pretty smart girl, she graduated with a Bachelors and Masters from Cal Berkley. But in a lot of common sense ways she is dumber than a box of rocks.

And I'm still not sure exactly what she did in her job. She was not anywhere close to being overworked. There were times when she was on call for a week at a time and had a work cellphone that she had to have with her at all times while on call. In the two years we were together that phone only rang once and she had to in and work a whole weekend.

She knew that she could have went to private industry and made more money, but after 20 years at FedGov she was institutonalized. She was going for retirement. Besides working for FedGov, the only private sector job she ever had was waiting tables during college. She didn't know what the private sector was all aboht.
Posted by Longstreet
Member since Jul 2018
299 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 5:20 am to
Do you consider military to be government workers?
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
9146 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 5:31 am to
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1. the animosity of jealousy. People actually getting retirements with benefits. 2. Some scorn in there too. Nice piece, op.


When you read stupid shite like this, you know it comes from someone with a .gov or .edu email address.
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
6389 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 6:41 am to
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Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:00 am to
Because the stereotype of Shaniqua/LouAnn sitting behind a desk doing her nails whilst not giving a damn about your problems isn't just a stereotype.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36218 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:01 am to
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Can we diferentiate between government employees here?


I wouldn’t worry over it too much RazorBroncs. Any time someone says something about “the government” I automatically assume they have no idea what they are talking about. There are so many county, state & federal agencies and employees, anyone who groups them all together doesn’t know how it’s run. I hate going to the DMV as much as anyone. But voting in Louisiana is about as easy as it gets. Two separate state agencies that are nothing alike. Then some comments above talk about getting things from a courthouse which is a county/parish clerk. Some are incredibly nice and efficient and some not as much. That varies from district to district. Then there are some agencies in a basement of a building that no one has heard of that do the work of 20 people with only 12 people because they love their jobs and have no funding.
It’s really ridiculous to lump all “government” employees together.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:01 am to
If govt. workers really cared about their reputations, they would insist on making it easier to fire them for incompetence.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115415 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:02 am to
Too big
Too intrusive
Too inefficient
Too unwieldy
Too costly
Civil service promotes laziness
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11797 posts
Posted on 12/13/18 at 7:27 am to
Federal workers receive more total compensation than comparable private sector workers. Federal workers pay (and increases) isn’t merit based, but more so a function of time in position and some form of schedule.
Posted by Rougarou13
Brookhaven MS
Member since Feb 2015
6842 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:30 am to
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Can we diferentiate between government employees here?


We can. There are good and bad just like with everything else, although with govt employees there tends to be a disproportionate amount. It’s the environment they have developed. Can’t fire them, so there is no incentive to meet standards. I have family in different areas of the govt, some state and some federal, and they all gripe about how shitty the quality of employee is.

All that being said, I wouldn’t ever shite on someone just because they work for govt. like I said, I have family there who work their collective asses off.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95637 posts
Posted on 12/19/18 at 7:45 am to
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A prevalent sentiment on this board is that private industry is always better than government and that it is the only true source for jobs.


Sometimes generalization language betrays the underlying bias against the opinion.

So, let me start with the easy one. From an economic standpoint, the vast majority of government jobs are a "drain" - taking money away from the private sector is anathema to economic development. Obviously, there are exceptions. If, for example, the government puts a military base in the middle of nowhere, economic activity will flourish in this previously undeveloped region because there will be money to be made from the military and civilian employees (and families) of that base. But, this is a zero sum game - all those folks leave somewhere else and collect at the base because of their jobs. It is not market driven and does not benefit from market efficiency. Superficially, it will look like government spending is driving economic development.

Now - this is not to say the government has no role in economic development. Obviously public safety is a huge boon to residential and commercial development. Where government often fails is allowing crime to set in and this will crash property values and drive economic activity and investment to safer areas. Private actors can only tangentially affect public safety, not directly improve it.

Same thing for infrastructure - particularly roads, bridges, highways - maintenance of those for the benefit of all is an economic boon, generally. It would not be cost effective in many cases to privatize because it may have to operate at a loss for extensive periods of time (perhaps forever) and it is one of the rare things outside of national defense that tax money is clearly the best option to fund.

But:
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Teachers, Construction, Post Office
- demonstrably could be done better, more efficiently, more responsively by private actors than public entities. You sincerely believe that the government funds the majority of construction projects? By dollar value? By worker? Sure road construction is almost exclusively done for government clients, but that isn't all the work in the rural areas.

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Government is more of a long term investor than an entrepreneur.


The problem with (and my defense of) government agencies is that there is no particular incentive to turn a profit. Therefore, there is no reason beyond budget constraints to limit spending. Their charge (as it should be) is to provide the best, most responsive service they can to the taxpayers. There can be free market principles introduced (bonuses/awards/promotions for fiscal responsibility), but it is difficult to take that next step.

Contrast that to a homebuilder, for example. Yes, he wants to maintain good customer relations. Yes, he has to provide good customer service and communication. But, at the end of the day, his success or failure is driven by his ability to minimize cost and maximize revenue. The genius of capitalism - enlightened self-interest.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 7:46 am
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