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Can anyone explain how open borders and a welfare state can coexist?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:27 pm
Let's just say I was inclined to side with this point of view.
Walk me through the mechanics of it.
Walk me through the mechanics of it.
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 1:27 pm
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Everyone gets free shite
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:28 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They can't.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Obviously they cannot.
If the open borders wanted much laxer border control, they would have to give up social programs and welfare state.
But they don't want that. They want both. They want bigger and bigger government and more people dependent on it.
Obviously, they don't care about economic reality because they have no concept of it.
If the open borders wanted much laxer border control, they would have to give up social programs and welfare state.
But they don't want that. They want both. They want bigger and bigger government and more people dependent on it.
Obviously, they don't care about economic reality because they have no concept of it.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I just ate but anyway, 
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It would work perfectly in fantasyland where everyone is a millionaire
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It's not supposed to work. The goal is to crash the system, creating a vacuum where an authoritarian communist regime can gain control.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It’s simple, feels > reals
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:39 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I heard a decent argument on a podcast from a professor who was for open borders, but explained it would only be possible without the welfare system.
There's no way the welfare system is being revoked anytime soon, so it's necessary to have border restrictions.
I like people with sense, as oppose to the people who simply scream "I want it this way!! I want it now!!!", which unfortunately seems to be most on the left.
There's no way the welfare system is being revoked anytime soon, so it's necessary to have border restrictions.
I like people with sense, as oppose to the people who simply scream "I want it this way!! I want it now!!!", which unfortunately seems to be most on the left.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:39 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It works the same way single payer healthcare and $15 an hour minimum wage works . It cost the working class a lot more in taxes and they eventually become dependent on the government and then the government will have control of everyone .
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:40 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
it can, but only for a very short period.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:41 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Greedy trillionaires and corporations refuse to share the wealth.
Or, something like that.
Or, something like that.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Also birthright citizenship
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Can anyone explain how open borders and a welfare state can coexist?
The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".
It can't, but this is the ultimate goal, after confiscating all personal retirement accounts and savings. Of course run by the thrifty, business savy, democrat party.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:51 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
muh democratic socialism
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:57 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
They don't.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 1:58 pm to Salmon
Ship working illegal Mexicans in and lazy Americans out. 
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:12 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
open the borders
scrap welfare completely
scrap welfare completely
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:17 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
It's all about the virtue signaling in the here and now. It's much easier to prance around pretending like you are a great humanitarian, philanthropist human being and ignoring the difficult reality that we don't live in la-la land where whatever feels good inside will simply work itself out without any negative repercussions. These people have no foresight and only live in the here and now of what makes them feel good inside about themselves. Basically it's a child's mentality in full grown adults except this has the potential to ruin a stable civilization to the point beyond repair.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 2:28 pm to ChewyDante
And the people hurt are the poorest and most vulnerable.
Here's a hint, libs: A bunch of poor brown people coming in to the US doesn't hurt me directly.
Here's a hint, libs: A bunch of poor brown people coming in to the US doesn't hurt me directly.
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