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re: Californian musicians feel the pain of "worker's rights" aka "state control"
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's just a great example of the "i think this is a great law, for other people" mindset of progressives
That's exactly what I got out of it. The author doesn't care about Uber or Lyft drivers, just musicians because he is one. Their view is limited only to how it impacts them in the here and now, they don't care to see the bigger picture and it's why these things will keep happening under their watch.
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We need to get an exemption for music professionals into this law before January 1st.
Their ability to get to the wrong answer with routine consistency is impressive
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:47 pm to Bard
Exactly, in their near future is 100% of Zero..
You earn all 100%..but restrictions will stifle the marketplace to Zero.
Cal and Newsom are the anti-Trump and his 9 to 1 repeal ratio..
They are running everyone not locked down or boxed-in, out in droves.
You earn all 100%..but restrictions will stifle the marketplace to Zero.
Cal and Newsom are the anti-Trump and his 9 to 1 repeal ratio..
They are running everyone not locked down or boxed-in, out in droves.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
As ignorant as the Louisiana politicians are, nothing holds a candle to California.
A state filled with natural resources, beautiful weather, and high land value is still able to squander it all away.
A state filled with natural resources, beautiful weather, and high land value is still able to squander it all away.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Keep voting for the Communist Party.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If a bar or restaurant is hiring the musician, than he is likely not an employee.
oh i agree. that part is likely bullshite
a band hiring on somebody for a gig though? how is that less control than Uber's control over a driver who gets to choose what fares it will take?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Lets hope all the Democrats impacted by this law have their lives completely ruined
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm saying a band hiring a musician would likely be an employee under this scenario.
The workaround, which is a joke because you shouldn't need workarounds to make a living, would be for the musicians to form a freelance company, similar to an employment agency. The bar or band or restaurant would just pay the company, and the individuals would be employees of that entity.
It adds a managerial layer and some cost, however, to a low margin industry.
The workaround, which is a joke because you shouldn't need workarounds to make a living, would be for the musicians to form a freelance company, similar to an employment agency. The bar or band or restaurant would just pay the company, and the individuals would be employees of that entity.
It adds a managerial layer and some cost, however, to a low margin industry.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
This law by the California Legislature is absolutely outrageous. I doubt even 10% of the legislators who voted for it even read it, let alone understood it. It will completely destroy live music in California if not amended or repealed. That's not an exaggeration. The live music, as well as music recording, industry cannot exist under those regulations.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We need to get an exemption for music professionals into this law before January 1st.
Probably every industry/business that employs workers for a designated and temporary period of time feels the same way about this legislation.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:36 pm to kingbob
quote:They can switch to rap
It will completely destroy live music in California if not amended or repealed. That's not an exaggeration. The live music, as well as music recording, industry cannot exist under those regulations.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
Of course they look for an exemption, not removal.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 2:43 pm to Kafka
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They can switch to rap
Not really. How this works is that in order to hire a band, a venue would have to make that band an employee and pay them a W2 and benefits. That might work for a venue with a couple house bands, but not for touring acts. THat's not how the music industry works where yo have different bands playing most every night.
You own a music studio and want to record a band? That band has to be an employee of the studio. Want to bring in someone to guest-star on a track? They need a W2 as well. The whole makes no sense when applied to the music industry.
I say...let it burn. F&%k 'em. Let the music industry move elsewhere.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 5:06 pm to kingbob
Musicians are a strange bunch, especially the older ones. Their politics come from Rolling Stone magazine, 80’s teen movies and the PMRC hearings. They are conditioned to think that Republicans are the evil Fun Police. Despite the fact that it was Al Gore’s old lady that spearheaded the PMRC hearings. Go on any of their message boards, like Metal Sludge, and you’d swear that you’re on Democratic Underground...
ETA: they’ll just move to Austin or Nashville.
ETA: they’ll just move to Austin or Nashville.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 5:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Or, and just hear me out, they know EXACTLY what they are doing. They need the extra tax base to help offset pension losses. But of course, these idiots never think past tomorrow.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 5:25 pm to udtiger
Dumbass Uber and Lyft drivers went on strike to get this bill passed
Posted on 11/29/19 at 6:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Sounds like Obamacare implementation
Posted on 11/30/19 at 6:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
If they have live music every night then it could be constructed as being a key part of the business
Posted on 11/30/19 at 7:35 am to SlowFlowPro
It’s their own fault for living in the shitty state of California.
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