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re: Bullet train bros - our new Transportation Secretary is asking questions
Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:58 pm to Figgy
Posted on 2/21/25 at 6:58 pm to Figgy
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For the Merced to Bakersfield portion we're talking roughly 150 miles and it isn't through mountains or hills like they'll have if they ever wanted to connect SoCal to the Bay, the Valley to SoCal or the Valley to the Bay.
Plenty of mountains between Bakersfield and LA as well.
The entire plan was a joke from the start.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:04 pm to TrueTiger
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Someone's backyard view?
Sadly, yes. I'm trying not to laugh when I look at those but it's so egregious. Some a-hole had to approve that. I can't imagine how pissed I would be if that were my property.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:07 pm to Strannix
Not even the LA Times is attempting to polish this turd.
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Transit experts and state policy advisers have continued to question how the lofty project will be paid for as the proposed cost has increased without guaranteed funding sources. Projected ridership has also dipped since the pandemic.
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“Schedules are stretching out, demand estimates have fallen and financing is inadequate and unstable,” said high-speed rail peer-review group chair Louis Thompson at a recent state legislative hearing. The state-appointed panel advises the California High-Speed Rail Authority.
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Rail Authority Chief Executive Brian Kelly, who plans to step down this year, and other rail officials have also acknowledged the questionable funding of a rail system with less than a quarter of its length under construction three years after the the first phase was supposed to be completed.
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Voters first approved a high-speed rail proposal in 2008 that would connect Los Angeles to San Francisco by 2020.
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There is no set timeline for when anyone will be able to ride the entire 494-stretch from Anaheim to San Francisco.
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The current focus centers on the Central Valley, where officials estimate the 171-mile line from Merced to Bakersfield will be finished between 2030 and 2033.
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There are currently 119 miles under construction stretching from Madera to Shafter.
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“We’re starting in the most underpopulated portion of the route,” said Ethan Elkind, director of the climate program at UC Berkeley Law’s Center for Law, Energy and the Environment. “The voters and the taxpayers in the [more] populated areas see no benefit from the system.”
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Officials expect that the 463-mile stretch between Los Angeles and San Francisco will be environmentally cleared by May, pending approval of a key section between Palmdale and Burbank.
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The high-speed rail peer-review group has recommended the Legislature commission an “independent review of the economic and financial justification for the project” before “recommitting” to the first phase.
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Officials estimate it could cost about $35 billion to finish the first line from Bakersfield to Merced and roughly $100 billion more to complete the route from Los Angeles to San Francisco — about $100 billion more than what was originally proposed years ago. And the source of most funds is unclear.
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High-speed rail development relies on state and federal funding and California’s cap-and-trade incentive, which is set to expire in 2030. The authority hopes to secure private investments in the future, according to its most recent business plan, but currently uses none.
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“We want a federal partner that celebrates California and that celebrates what high-speed rail not only brings to our state, but really, to our nation,” state assembly Transportation Chair Lori D. Wilson (D-Suisun City) said.
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The Biden administration has been more supportive. It recently awarded the state more than $3 billion for the project, which will go toward helping the completion of the Central Valley line.
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The authority is still about $7 billion short for what’s needed to finish the Central Valley line, in addition to the tens of billions of dollars needed to fund the rest of the route. “There is no source of that money right now,” Thompson told The Times. “If and when they reach the point where they want to get out of the Central Valley, then the state itself is going to have to find a lot more money because the costs are going to explode.”
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“They were hiring consultants, they were getting sued, they were spending a lot of money and nothing was getting built,” Elkind said. Environmental reviews and lawsuits over the authority’s plans to disrupt housing complexes and developments have caused other setbacks. So has political jockeying and the project’s need for buy-in from voters across the state’s 58 counties. Over the years, local leaders have opined about where the train should go and which communities should directly benefit, leading to shifts in strategy that have prolonged the process.
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In downtown Fresno, for example, a thoroughfare road has been closed for eight years. In Bakersfield, business owners have sought clarity about when they’ll have to move, and where they will relocate to, making planning difficult. There are some logistical questions that have yet to be answered too, including how people will ultimately get to future stations in areas that have limited public transit.
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Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:18 pm to BuckyCheese
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Plenty of mountains between Bakersfield and LA as well.
Right, that's the connecting SoCal to the Valley part. The San Gabriels will be a bitch to get through. You're talking about 40 miles of mountains with elevations getting above 5,000' for the part that is already paved on the I5.
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The entire plan was a joke from the start.
A sick joke that a whole lotta morons bought into. There's also this little tidbit:
Assemblywoman Alexandra Macedo (R-Tulare) has expressed strong concerns about the California High-Speed Rail project, particularly the Merced-to-Bakersfield (M-B) segment, in light of a recent report from the High-Speed Rail Office of the Inspector General. The report revealed that the California High-Speed Rail Authority has not conducted a thorough risk analysis, making it increasingly unlikely that the M-B segment will be completed. Macedo criticized the project: "After 17 years and $10.6 billion of taxpayer money spent on a route between a field in Madera and an orchard in Shafter, it’s time to reconsider the state’s priorities.” She pointed to the report as confirmation of the wasteful spending and unmet promises associated with the High-Speed Rail Authority.
Macedo also highlighted the urgent needs of the Central Valley, where residents are calling for more focus on water infrastructure rather than a high-speed train. She introduced Assembly Bill 267, which proposes redirecting $2 billion of High-Speed Rail funding to support essential projects like wildfire prevention and water infrastructure.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:38 pm to TrueTiger
But every other country has high speed rail!
We have to have high speed rail.
We have to have high speed rail.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:46 pm to Figgy
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Right, that's the connecting SoCal to the Valley part. The San Gabriels will be a bitch to get through. You're talking about 40 miles of mountains with elevations getting above 5,000' for the part that is already paved on the I5.
This is part of the current freight route through Tehachapi Pass.
Not easy territory to run a railroad through.
If they ever build it, which they won't, Musk's Boring Company will likely make bank.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 7:49 pm to BamaScoop
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Remember that Diane Feinstein husband was a private developer in this project.
He enjoys any project involving a hammer.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:00 pm to TrueTiger
I don't give a frick about the 14,000+ jobs or the 880+ small businesses, I want to know how much track got laid, and how much it cost.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:03 pm to BuckyCheese
I've seen the trains up there when we go to Vegas. It's a very steep drop at times.
Yep and yep.
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If they ever build it, which they won't, Musk's Boring Company will likely make bank.
Yep and yep.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:08 pm to TrueTiger
Side note but surprised liberal CA used the word “bullet” in the naming
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:10 pm to Figgy
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I've seen the trains up there when we go to Vegas. It's a very steep drop at times.
I want to say it's a 2.2% grade, which is considered very steep for a railroad.
HSR can deal with grades a bit better than freight as tonnage isn't a concern, but they don't use grades near as steep as a highway. And mountain curves means you are no longer high speed.
Posted on 2/21/25 at 8:21 pm to BuckyCheese
HSR at 35 MPH!!
Or we can go through the mountains to maintain our speed!! Cause that'll be cost effective and completed sometime next century!
Or we can go through the mountains to maintain our speed!! Cause that'll be cost effective and completed sometime next century!
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:14 am to Figgy
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I'm trying not to laugh when I look at those but it's so egregious.
What if it never gets built?
Will they tear that crap down?
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:31 am to TrueTiger
It’ll add to the post apocalyptic landscape California is racing toward.
This thing can’t be killed fast enough.
And it boggles my mind that people think taking tens of billions of taxpayer dollars to “create jobs” on things that are utterly useless is something that should be celebrated and protected.
The private market creates jobs just fine. Government, defend our borders and basically frick off otherwise.
This thing can’t be killed fast enough.
And it boggles my mind that people think taking tens of billions of taxpayer dollars to “create jobs” on things that are utterly useless is something that should be celebrated and protected.
The private market creates jobs just fine. Government, defend our borders and basically frick off otherwise.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:31 am to TrueTiger
So roughly $15,000 per inch?


Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:37 am to TrueTiger
Hmm, 17 years and still not built. The transcontinental railroad was completed in 6 years. Maybe they had more advanced technology in the 1800s.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:38 am to Zach
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Maybe they had more advanced technology in the 1800s.
Or maybe, like the pyramids, aliens helped them.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:50 am to TrueTiger
Looks like part of that could be used for a border wall. It’s certainly tall enough. Might be cheaper to dig it up and move it to the border.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:55 am to TrueTiger
My mother was the cold north wind
My father was a son…of a railroad man
From west of Hell where the trains don’t even run.
Now that song makes perfect sense.
My father was a son…of a railroad man
From west of Hell where the trains don’t even run.
Now that song makes perfect sense.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 9:58 am to TrueTiger
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