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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:54 am to LSURussian
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:54 am to LSURussian
I don't think the level of education has much to do with support or opposition to SG. I am not in the mood to list my degrees and those of the people with whom I associate, but we are highly educated and support this. Apparently some highly educated people do not. I don't see the link.
As to motivation brought on by Delgado, I think most people understand there will be some behind-the-scenes maneuvering but want substance and issues to play a major role in the public debate. When politicians attempt to avoid this through punitive measures I think it causes the average citizen to question whether the issues are being given proper attention. I don't see anything immature about this.
As to motivation brought on by Delgado, I think most people understand there will be some behind-the-scenes maneuvering but want substance and issues to play a major role in the public debate. When politicians attempt to avoid this through punitive measures I think it causes the average citizen to question whether the issues are being given proper attention. I don't see anything immature about this.
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:54 am to Asgard Device
I'm still surprised at Delgado's actions.
Just out of curiosity....if the St George area wasn't producing a significant amount of tax revenue for East Baton Rouge, why would people like Delgado care what an unincorporated part of the parish does? What makes their reaction to St George so much more vindictive and spiteful than what we saw when Central incorporated?
Like Baton Rouge or Central, St George will retain a larger share of their tax revenue with incorporation...which is why some Baton Rouge politicians are clearly worried. Is that a privilege only appropriate for the other 4 municipalities in East Baton Rouge?
Rhetoric like "secession" or "splitting up the parish" are clearly designed to cause division and draw an emotional response. St George isn't leaving the parish. If they want to incorporate, then more power to them. I think it will be worth it for the schools, and helpful in retaining the tax base in East Baton Rouge in the long run.
Just out of curiosity....if the St George area wasn't producing a significant amount of tax revenue for East Baton Rouge, why would people like Delgado care what an unincorporated part of the parish does? What makes their reaction to St George so much more vindictive and spiteful than what we saw when Central incorporated?
Like Baton Rouge or Central, St George will retain a larger share of their tax revenue with incorporation...which is why some Baton Rouge politicians are clearly worried. Is that a privilege only appropriate for the other 4 municipalities in East Baton Rouge?
Rhetoric like "secession" or "splitting up the parish" are clearly designed to cause division and draw an emotional response. St George isn't leaving the parish. If they want to incorporate, then more power to them. I think it will be worth it for the schools, and helpful in retaining the tax base in East Baton Rouge in the long run.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:54 am to BugAC
BCBS, MallOfLA, the hotels, and Perkins Rowe should band together and form the city of bluebonnet. They would continue to get serviced by the parish.
This would ensure that their taxes stay lower than surrounding areas.
This would ensure that their taxes stay lower than surrounding areas.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:55 am to BugAC
quote:You've GOT to be kidding. You are not aware of the two SG issues aimed at hurting SG on the agenda yesterday that the CP council shot down? If so, you are really out of touch.
SG got the support of the city parish council YESTERDAY!
Link please
That information was on the local news last night, in the paper this morning and even posted already in this thread.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:57 am to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:Exhilarated, not exhausted. I enjoy this.
I gotta give it to you LSURussian, you were busy all day in this thread from sun up to sun down. You must be exhausted opposing this new city.
quote:Don't wonder. I own my own business. What do you do for a living?
makes me wonder what you do for a living.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:04 am to LSURussian
quote:
Exhilarated, not exhausted. I enjoy this.
quote:Just an average joe.
Don't wonder. I own my own business. What do you do for a living?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:04 am to tdg
quote:As I already written in this thread, I live in Delgado's district. I didn't vote for him. In fact, I actively campaigned against him when he ran against Smokie Bourgeois.
I don't see anything immature about this.
I knew what a slime he is. When I mentioned that on this board during the CP election cycle in 2012 many on this board put a hatin' on me for saying so. They thought Delgado was god's gift to District 12 because he's a lawyer and Smokie is "just a restaurant owner."
I do not approve of Delgado's tactics. I believe he is doing what he is doing in order to run for higher office. That is his plan.
His actions are immature. But when I see SG supporters acting just as immature, I worry about this entire process.
I started this thread hoping to start a serious conversation about the finances of SG and how I believe the residents of SG are being purposefully deceived by the organizers.
All the thread has devolved into is the same old pissing match without any facts substantiating any claims. That is disappointing to me.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:10 am to LSURussian
quote:
You've GOT to be kidding. You are not aware of the two SG issues aimed at hurting SG on the agenda yesterday that the CP council shot down? If so, you are really out of touch.
You do realize, i have a job, and I don't look at SG news every waking second of my life, right?
So again, i'd appreciate that link to what you are talking about. I'm curious what it says.
quote:
That information was on the local news last night, in the paper this morning and even posted already in this thread.
Again, I have a life at home too. Also, i did not read every single page of your thread. Again, you are over emotional over the internets.
Or how about this Russian. Why don't you tell me what page this is on in your thread, if you won't link me.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:14 am to LSURussian
SG buys ink by the barrel? Huh? And the rest of the saying is "or paper by the ton."
I know the rest of the saying, my point is that this is a wealthy area, that may feel it's worth the money to pull away, and be done with the likes of the afore mentioned members on the Metro Council.
SG got the support of the city parish council YESTERDAY! SG people are behaving like spoiled brats who won't take YES for an answer.
Not for a lack of trying by Delgado, et al. And it's a constant fight with these people. People in SG are tired of it.
You are adamant in your opposition to SG. I'm not sure why. But it doesn't help to call people "spoiled brats".
As I've said, I've not decided how I'll vote. I like the idea of being "from" Baton Rouge. And the SG area provides a brake to some, not all of the stupid things that come up before the Council. I don't like the idea of surrendering a city I love, and the state capital to the likes of Marcelle, Wicker, and Delgado.
I've not read all of your posts, but other than fiscal, what are your reasons for opposing SG?
I know the rest of the saying, my point is that this is a wealthy area, that may feel it's worth the money to pull away, and be done with the likes of the afore mentioned members on the Metro Council.
SG got the support of the city parish council YESTERDAY! SG people are behaving like spoiled brats who won't take YES for an answer.
Not for a lack of trying by Delgado, et al. And it's a constant fight with these people. People in SG are tired of it.
You are adamant in your opposition to SG. I'm not sure why. But it doesn't help to call people "spoiled brats".
As I've said, I've not decided how I'll vote. I like the idea of being "from" Baton Rouge. And the SG area provides a brake to some, not all of the stupid things that come up before the Council. I don't like the idea of surrendering a city I love, and the state capital to the likes of Marcelle, Wicker, and Delgado.
I've not read all of your posts, but other than fiscal, what are your reasons for opposing SG?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:19 am to LSURussian
quote:Yet me guess, either in the mall of la or near by.
Don't wonder. I own my own business
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:22 am to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:
My wife, my self, and several friends are going.
Well, if I do attend, I'll certainly be able to pick you out by that impressive "do" you're sporting!
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:24 am to redandright
Same "do", but I'll be sporting a green tie instead of black. 
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:29 am to dewster
quote:By an accident of geography, the Mall of Louisiana and Perkins Rowe are in the SG area.
if the St George area wasn't producing a significant amount of tax revenue for East Baton Rouge
If those are removed from SG, there is no city of SG. The majority of the funds the supporters claim they have for SG comes just from the sales taxes from that Bluebonnet corridor.
A quick fact: 30% of the total amount of the net sales taxes collected in EBR available to local government comes from just the Mall of Louisiana. (That was in a news article about 3 weeks ago. And no, I don't feel like finding the link.)
Total net sales tax revenues included on the CP's 2014 budget = $170,842,210. 30% of that number = $51,252,000. That coincides with the estimated (by Dr. Richardson of LSU) $52 million shortfall in the BR budget if SG gets the sales tax revenues from MoL.
The proposed SG budget = a little over $60 million, as pointed out in the OP of this thread.
Remove $51.2 million from the revenues available to SG and see what happens to their budget.
For anyone who claims that SG provides more taxes than anywhere else in the parish, they have to believe that all of the people who shop at the Mall of La and Perkins Rowe are residents of SG and they are the only ones paying those sales taxes. Of course, that is not true. People come from all over the city and parish and outside of the parish to shop at the MoL.
And before anyone chimes in that "SG pays the most property taxes in EBR" (which is not true) the entire amount of property taxes, as in 100%, of the property tax revenues available for the local government in the 2014 EBR budget is $25,437,520.
If SG were responsible for 100% of the property taxes in EBR and they got to keep 100% of all the property taxes collected in EBR, it still would not be enough to fund the $60 million budget proposed by SG once the MoL sales taxes are removed, which they will be. BR will not let those sales taxes leave the city.
It's SALES taxes, not PROPERTY taxes that funds local government in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:30 am to LSURussian
quote:
I actively campaigned against him when he ran against Smokie Bourgeois.
To be fair, Smokie was a piece of shite politician too. He was using his elected position to harm competing businesses. That doesn't mean Delgado is any better. I agree that Delgado does seem to be positioning himself for a higher office.
quote:
But when I see SG supporters acting just as immature, I worry about this entire process.
The problem is, is that you believe you are the end all/be all of the SG/BR issue. You first tried to say that race was the reason for SG separating, just like the fricking idiots on the city council. Then you say that the new schools won't be any better than the schools we have now, with no proof other than your opinion.
IMO, you are too emotional over this, and you do not debate this issue rationally. You have an heir of superiority when you debate with others and dismiss most other comments.
Now i'm sure the next thing you will reply to me is that i'm an idiot or something to that matter. All i'm asking you do is that you try to remove some emotion from your posts and be rational.
And i would also appreciate that link, or what page that link is on, in this thread.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:36 am to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:Wrong again. But you make a good point.
Don't wonder. I own my own business
Yet me guess, either in the mall of la or near by.
Commercial property owners in the Bluebonnet retail corridor do not want to be incorporated into SG.
They know their property taxes will escalate and they don't want those increased taxes which they will have to pass along to their retail tenants.
Those property owners would prefer to be incorporated into BR even with the 13.22 mills additional property taxes they will have to pay for being in the city rather than face the prospect of much higher property tax millages from the new city of SG.
Plus, if they are in BR, they will get the benefit of the #1 fire insurance rating the city of BR has, which will lower their property hazard insurance and will partially offset some of the additional 13.22 mills of property tax.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:37 am to BugAC
quote:I'll do what you do. LINK?
Smokie was a piece of shite politician too. He was using his elected position to harm competing businesses.
quote:Okay, I'll treat you like I do Spidey, I'll just have to ignore your posts. You just lost all credibility, just like the TUBA guy has.
The problem is, is that you believe you are the end all/be all of the SG/BR issue.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:38 am to LSURussian
If I'm Mall of La, I don't want incorporation at all.....by Baton Rouge or St George.
It does appear that St George is responsible for a huge portion of the parish tax base, being home to the Mall of La and Siegen lane.
And yes, EBR has a huge dependency on sales tax. It's one of the reasons much land use around there is one big box after another.
It does appear that St George is responsible for a huge portion of the parish tax base, being home to the Mall of La and Siegen lane.
And yes, EBR has a huge dependency on sales tax. It's one of the reasons much land use around there is one big box after another.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:39 am to LSURussian
quote:
Okay, I'll treat you like I do Spidey, I'll just have to ignore your posts. You just lost all credibility, just like the TUBA guy has.
Don't lie. I know you read every single one of them.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:41 am to LSURussian
quote:
I believe the residents of SG are being purposefully deceived by the organizers.
I support their right to incorporate but I have to admit that it looks like some of the leaders
are having their own version of :
"If you like your doctor, you can keep him" going on.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:42 am to dewster
quote:I agree. But they can still choose who they go with.
If I'm Mall of La, I don't want incorporation at all.....by Baton Rouge or St George.
If SG incorporates and takes them in, even against their will, it is almost impossible under La law for an area to 'un-incorporate' after it is incorporated.
It's a case of the "devil you know versus the devil you don't know" for those property owners.
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