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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities

Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:43 am to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134870 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:43 am to
quote:

it looks like some of the leaders
are having their own version of :

"If you like your doctor, you can keep him" going on.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:43 am to
quote:

I agree. But they can still choose who they go with.


Can they? If the matter comes up for a vote, and it passes across the entire area - the entire area becomes incorporated - even if pockets within the area are solidly against it. Is that not correct?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:44 am to
quote:

I'll do what you do. LINK?


LINK

There's your link.

Russian, i legitimately want to see the link you are talking about. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm curious to what you are talking about. Why not just give me the link?

quote:

Okay, I'll treat you like I do Spidey, I'll just have to ignore your posts. You just lost all credibility, just like the TUBA guy has.


This is exactly the shite i'm talking about. If an opinion is different from yours, you act all high and mighty and call them a liar or dismiss.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:45 am to
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By an accident of geography, the Mall of Louisiana and Perkins Rowe are in the SG area.


That isn't true, the proposed city of St. George is made up of two fire districts, St. George and East Side.

These developments happen to be located in the St. George Fire District pointing out how the city of BR uses these big developments to fuel the general fund and not provide them with fire service.

quote:

If those are removed from SG, there is no city of SG. The majority of the funds the supporters claim they have for SG comes just from the sales taxes from that Bluebonnet corridor. A quick fact: 30% of the total amount of the net sales taxes collected in EBR available to local government comes from just the Mall of Louisiana. (That was in a news article about 3 weeks ago. And no, I don't feel like finding the link.)


Maybe the city should have done the logical thing and annexed these areas years ago. Whose fault is that?

quote:

It's SALES taxes, not PROPERTY taxes that funds local government in Louisiana.


Wrong, both sales taxes and property taxes along with fees, licenses, etc. fund local governments. They all play a big role.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:45 am to
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This is exactly the shite i'm talking about. If an opinion is different from yours, you act all high and mighty and call them a liar or dismiss.


LSURussian is the highest and mightiest poster on all of TD.com. He is always correct, is smarter than everyone, knows everything, and anyone who disagrees with him is a moron.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:46 am to
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Maybe the city should have done the logical thing and annexed these areas years ago. Whose fault is that?


Considering the city doesn't actually have its own government
, its not the city's.

Its the Parish's. A vote to annex an area into BR has to be approved through Parish government, meaning all residents of the Parish get a say - not just the city and the proposed area of annexation.

This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:47 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Can they? If the matter comes up for a vote, and it passes across the entire area - the entire area becomes incorporated - even if pockets within the area are solidly against it. Is that not correct?


Sure, just like La. voting against Obama, we can't have a different president. That's how elections work.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:48 am to
Does anyone have that link that LSURussian was talking about, that said that the city council conceded to SG demands, but SG refused? I want to read the article. I apparently, didn't catch it, or maybe i did, and i didn't get the same thing out of it that Russian did.

I'd appreciate a mature adult providing me with a simple link so i can read the article for myself and make up my own decision. Like grown ups do.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:51 am to
Not sure what you are talking about. Is this about the Delgado push last night to appoint Baton Rouge officials to the St George fire district? You may need to go back a few pages but the links are posted (if that's what you are referring to).

Again....please ignore Spidertuba's post if you want an informative discussion.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:59 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:55 am to
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I'd appreciate a mature adult


Wrong board.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134870 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:57 am to
That ordinance would not have killed anyone. I told Smokie he had the appearance of a conflict of interest and he should have let another CP council member introduce that ordinance, but Smokie is hard headed. He knew he didn't have a direct financial interest in the ordinance, he was just trying to help out some of his fellow restaurant owner friends downtown.

Some downtown restaurant owners approached him and complained about those mobile food vendors parking on property next to their restaurant. When they called the police, the vendors would just tell the police they had the property owner's permission to park there even though they had no evidence they had the property owner's permission. In many cases they didn't have the property owner's permission. The property owners didn't even know their property was being used by the food trucks. The police's hands were tied who to believe.

All the ordinance would have done was require the vendors to carry written permission by the property owners where the food trucks parked in order to show the police they had permission.

Those trucks were not a direct competitor with either of Smokie's restaurants, neither of which are in the downtown area, which is where the mobile food vendors were setting up.

As far as the link you want...
Front page of today's Advocate online. It's not that hard to find.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:59 am to
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All the ordinance would have done was require the vendors to carry written permission by the property owners where the food trucks parked in order to show the police they had permission.


Sounds like a reasonable regulation. Of course they can always forge a letter of permission.

This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 10:00 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134870 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:01 am to
quote:

hat said that the city council conceded to SG demands, but SG refused?
Stop putting your own convoluted spin on what I've written.

I said SG people are saying the CP council does not listen to them, ignores them, bullies them, etc.

I said just yesterday the CP council shot down two proposals that were directed against SG which the SG supporters opposed.

I provided the link above. Read the article.

Seriously, you are getting to be just as bad as spidey.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:02 am to
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Seriously, you are getting to be just as bad as spidey.


I know I'm your idol.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:36 am to
quote:

Stop putting your own convoluted spin on what I've written.

I said SG people are saying the CP council does not listen to them, ignores them, bullies them, etc.

I said just yesterday the CP council shot down two proposals that were directed against SG which the SG supporters opposed.

I provided the link above. Read the article.

Seriously, you are getting to be just as bad as spidey.



1) I misinterpreted what you were saying in this post

quote:

You are not aware of the two SG issues aimed at hurting SG on the agenda yesterday that the CP council shot down?


2. you said

quote:

I said just yesterday the CP council shot down two proposals that were directed against SG which the SG supporters opposed.


quote:

But before the vote, Metro Council members John Delgado, C. Denise Marcelle and Donna Collins-Lewis each offered a nomination from the floor to be considered: Bradley Ricks, Bradley Dutruch and John W. Scott.

Ultimately, the council failed to garner a majority for any candidates and deferred the nominations to the next meeting.

Mayor Pro Tem Chandler Loupe said during the meeting that the “well-orchestrated event” was an attempted coup by some council members to replace St. George fire commissioners with Baton Rouge supporters.

“Everybody sitting up here knows exactly what you’re doing,” a visibly annoyed Loupe to the council. “You’re trying to get Baton Rouge Fire (Department) to take over the St. George Fire Department.”


So yes, what you said was correct. But the 3 that are in favor of this, are the three that are vocal opponents of this, and each has introduced their own asinine ideas to further "punish" SG residents. Again, the city council is not doing itself any favors by having these wackos propose asinine things, and then have them shot down before a vote happesn. It also doesn't help that they are VERY vocal about their ideas, and have the backing of Kip.

You see, this is why i wanted a link. So i can read about it myself.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 10:37 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:43 am to
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Councilman Buddy Amoroso attempted unsuccessfully to delete an item intended to codify the sources of city-parish revenue, locking them into the city-parish’s budget.

The item outlined which parts of the budget came from the city of Baton Rouge and which parts came from the unincorporated parts of the parish.

Some council members have called it an attempt to keep St. George from accessing sales taxes from such major business enterprises as the Mall of Louisiana, L’Auberge Casino and Perkins Rowe in the event they incorporate.

The proposal was being introduced on the agenda Wednesday and is not up for a vote until the next council meeting. But Amoroso’s motion, which failed, would have prevented the council from even hearing the item.

“This would only create a further divide between the parish and the city of Baton Rouge,” Amoroso said.

Another measure, proposed by the five women on the council, to require city-parish employees to live in the city of Baton Rouge was killed after the council failed to take any action on it.

Amoroso said he is fearful that the St. George debate is already dividing the council.

“This is the first council meeting of the year and probably the most contentious meeting I’ve seen in my 12 months serving on the council,” he said. “I hope this isn’t a harbinger of what’s to come.”

Boé said the council will have to find a way to “agree to disagree” on the issue in a civilized way.

“It’s creating a lot of strife on the council,” he said. “People have strong opinions one way or another, but to be vindictive and pull backdoor shenanigans is just unacceptable.”


Wow. So the idea to actually codify where the money is coming from and what it is going to was actually opposed by some on city council? Good Lord. Thank God, it was struck down. Again, the idiots that yell the loudest seem to be the ones getting all the press.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 10:44 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 10:46 am to
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The item outlined which parts of the budget came from the city of Baton Rouge and which parts came from the unincorporated parts of the parish.


Also, this says a lot for both sides. If i'm reading this correctly, then this states that the local government doesn't already know how much money comes from the unincorporated areas.

Doesn't this kind of spell out that no one knows for sure, what BR would be losing and what SG would be gaining? Kind of eludes that all other talk is speculation at this point.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134870 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:12 am to
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. If i'm reading this correctly, then this states that the local government doesn't already know how much money comes from the unincorporated areas.
There has been no reason to keep those monies separate under the unified plan of government. It's all "our" money.

The data is available.

Property tax records are open to the public. Sales tax records can be compiled based on the retailer's location. Retailers are required to submit their sales taxes monthly.

If anything, the lack of "where does it come from" increases the lack of credibility of the SG organizers who claim to know where their taxes would come from.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57840 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:14 am to
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If anything, the lack of "where does it come from" increases the lack of credibility of the SG organizers who claim to know where their taxes would come from.


It equally decreases the credibility of those saying how much St. George would need is different from what they say.

The fact is, no one knows the taxes paid into or coming out of the EBR Parish government (like i stated earlier) in terms of unincorporated areas vs. city proper BR. To claim so, is kind of asinine at this point, don't you think? At least until the actual breakdown of funds are divulged to the public then NO ONE knows.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 11:15 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 11:16 am to
The lack of clarity over the source of tax revenue also undermines the argument that incorporation would be catastrophic for Baton Rouge or that St George would definitely have to raise taxes....
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