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re: Budget comparisons between St George & other Louisiana cities

Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:22 pm to
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By NOT paying them.

how?

if it's a parish obligation, the parish will force them to pay
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:22 pm to
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then how are they going to "weasel out" of paying them?


Ignore him. I'm going to ignore him like Russian. St. George isn't leaving the parish. He's bringing emotional appeals to a logical discussion, and most of his assumptions are pulled out of a rabbit hole.

He's literally dismantling a logical, informative discussion by trolling.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:25 pm
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:23 pm to
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is that your standard?


Why is it you can't follow a conversation? The STANDARD to which I was replying to is "one bit of service". Read the post to which I was replying to for a change. frickssake.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:25 pm to
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When has BRPD or BRFD ever provided the first bit of service to the residents of St. George. NEVER

Wrong. Stop being hysterical. You sound like a little bitch whining.

Read the cooperative agreement both the BRPD and BRFD have with the sheriff's office and the various fire districts outside the city limits.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:26 pm to
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how?



BY NOT PAYING

LINK

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If supporters succeed in their quest to create the city of St. George, they will carve off a quarter of the residents in areas covered by the city-parish government but take 40 percent of the sales tax revenue, according to a study by LSU economists released Sunday.



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A critical issue, the study notes, is whether the diminished tax revenues in Baton Rouge would “be sufficient to pay for city-based services that are ultimately enjoyed by all residents in the parish, especially given that many residents of the proposed municipality work in the city of Baton Rouge.”

A fair response by a City Of Baton Rouge that actually had its own government would be to enact a commuter tax. But since the City of BR is ruled by the Parish - they can't.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted by tdg
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:26 pm to
I'll admit it is antidotal but I live in what would be SG and get the sense there is overwhelming support within the area. Seems that I see more yard signs everyday as I drive home. I could not go to a neighborhood Christmas Party or football game party without the topic coming up and hearing several people say that were going to sign the petition. I just signed it right before the end of the year myself and my wife plans to sign next time she drives by one of the locations.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 pm to
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Read the cooperative agreement both the BRPD and BRFD have with the sheriff's office and the various fire districts outside the city limits.


There are so many unincorporated enclaves in BR I would imagine it would be impossible for police or fire to do their jobs without cooperation.

Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:28 pm to
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St. George isn't leaving the parish.

If this succeeds,
their tax dollars are.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:29 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:29 pm to
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it is antidotal
There's more truth in that statement than you realize.... (look up the definition of antidotal)
Posted by russinbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2004
137 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:30 pm to

quote:

When has BRPD or BRFD ever provided the first bit of service to the residents of St. George. NEVER


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Wrong. Stop being hysterical. You sound like a little bitch whining. Read the cooperative agreement both the BRPD and BRFD have with the sheriff's office and the various fire districts outside the city limits.


So by your response one would believe that the City of Baton Rouge would be obligated to provide for the retirement of the St. George and East Side Fire Departments.

You have a pattern of calling any poster who disagrees with your limited knowledge of the topic "hysterical" "irrational" "whining" or some other petty little comment meant to degrade them somehow what’s up with that? Can you not handle a little debate into the merits of a topic without feeling so emasculated that you have to resort to such tactics. It has been a pattern of response from you that is apparent in each topic you post in that relates to St. George. Do you need to talk to someone? Perhaps I can help you find the courage to seek the help you really need.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:41 pm
Posted by tdg
Member since Sep 2009
223 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:30 pm to
meant anecdotal
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:31 pm to
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So by your response one would believe that the City of Baton Rouge would be obligated to provide for the retirement of the St. George and East Side Fire Departments.



The City of Baton Rouge doesn't have any obligations.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:32 pm to
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So by your response one would believe that the City of Baton Rouge would be obligated to provide for the retirement of the St. George and East Side Fire Departments.



The bulk of the legacy costs that St. George will incur will be with schools. Most of the parish services will continue, and they'll continue to pay some parish taxes (just as Baton Rouge or Zachary does) while taking over responsibility for other services. Just judging by what legacy costs my city had to pay for the municipal school district (about half the size of St. George), they won't be anything St. George can't easily handle.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:44 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:36 pm to
No. Just stop. You're digging the hole deeper.
Posted by Shepherd
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:42 pm to
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When has BRPD or BRFD ever provided the first bit of service to the residents of St. George. NEVER


Where do you get your information from? Do you even live in BR? Don't talk about things that are above your pay grade son
Posted by russinbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2004
137 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:43 pm to
Posted by russinbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2004
137 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:47 pm to
Not your son Boy. You truly believe that brpd and brfd have provided enough service to the un-incorporated area of St. George to warrant a liability for their retirement funds?
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
26608 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:53 pm to
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You truly believe that brpd and brfd have provided enough service to the un-incorporated area of St. George to warrant a liability for their retirement funds?


In my area, cooperative agreements don't make one municipality liable for the other's legacy costs.

St. George Fire district, East fire district, and Baton Rouge Fire Department all have their own dedicated tax, don't they?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:58 pm to
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You truly believe that brpd and brfd have provided enough service to the un-incorporated area of St. George to warrant a liability for their retirement funds?



The liability for their retirement is on the PARISH. St George residents seek to divert tax revenue from the Parish.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:59 pm to
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In my area, cooperative agreements don't make one municipality liable for the other's legacy costs.

East Baton Rouge Parish isn't a municipality.

The resident of EBR Parish already voted years ago to absorb the City of Baton Rouge's government into the Parish's government.

Funny, I hadn't noticed the people of St. George complaining about the fact their council members get to decide the laws in the City of Baton Rouge.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 12:03 am
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