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re: Buddy had federal game wardens show up at his house

Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by wheelr
Banned
Member since Jul 2012
5880 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

encrypted comms pretty much mean anything


Almost every post made on this website uses encrypted comms.

It is most likely Apple has access to all of the iCloud data too.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
3194 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:02 pm to
BS. It's private property and anyone, especially someone as disgusting as a government agent, who trespasses should be subject to lethal force by the home owner if necessary. Get a warrant if you're so sure if yourself.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
16314 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

think in texas a game warden does not need a search warrant to go in a house looking for game.


quote:

know in Louisiana they don’t either.


Come again? You sure about that? A state game warden can just bust up into your dwelling on suspicion of you having an illegal kill?


That can’t be right. At least there hasn’t been a suit filed to challenge it and I find that hard to believe.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36005 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:03 pm to
Serious here. If the Federal Wildlife Guys make another visit tell your buddy to lawyer up to protect. It's most likely nothing on his end but he should cover himself....or straight up ask them. They most probably don't really care what your friend did from a legal liability standpoint

I had a visit from them years ago due to some work a friend of mine with some seafood labeling had . After talking to them they were not really concerned with any actions my friend performed. I told him to tell them everything he knew. He ended up getting a free plane ride back to NO to testify in front of a federal grand jury where he was not a target or even a person of interest
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23754 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:13 pm to
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They should be enter "open field" property without probable cause. I belive they have made the argument they should not be required to get a warrant due to time required, but they should not go willy-nilly where they choose.

I agree. Get a damn warrant.

This is their reasoning:
quote:

This doctrine balances private property rights with the public trust responsibilities of state and federal fish and wildlife management agencies. 

Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18169 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:33 pm to
Yep. Encryption is basically everywhere. It's why it's so disingenuous for the FBI to use such a vague term. Even fb messenger is encrypted.. but the FBI has a working relationship with Facebook and can most likely get the info they seek with the help of fb execs. Just using messenger as an example.

By implying they can't look into something because of encryption... it can mean they literally can't access something, or it can mean they can easily access something, but they just don't want to delve deeper into the assassination attempt, and want to just leave matters as is. We'll never know which one it is, because of the vague terminology.
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:53 pm to
There is a pending case in Louisiana related to the "open fields" doctrine.

LINK

quote:

82. When Tom again asked the agents whether they were trained to enter private land
without consent or a warrant, one of the agents confirmed they were trained to do so.

LINK

Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12901 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:23 pm to
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does the 4th amendment to the US constitution not apply in Texas?



Texas Game Wardens have the power to search property without a warrant, break locks and enter without a warrant if they suspect a violation of the Texas Parks and Wildlife code.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
13430 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:39 pm to
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They’ve got top men working on it as we speak.

Leads??
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12901 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

I think they need a warrant to go inside a dwelling,


Wrong
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23754 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:46 pm to
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Wrong

Feds do.

Unless you got your illegal kill right on the floor of your house behind you when you open the door.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12901 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 7:59 pm to
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Feds do.

Unless you got your illegal kill right on the floor of your house behind you when you open the door.



I don't make the rules ma'am.

They can confiscate gear, guns, game, 4x4, side by sides and you. Take your license and prevent you from hunting till the end of time, if you take an animal that belongs to the state Texas illegally.

With out a warrant, and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.

Hard STOP.


Edited for spelling of WARRANT for the spelling bee commies.
This post was edited on 7/18/24 at 10:18 am
Posted by Tasseo
Member since Feb 2024
3252 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

Buddy had federal game wardens show up at his house
quote:

They had pictures off his iCloud

Why you don't put anything into another companies Cloud, as that takes away your control of it since they just needed to subpoena Apple if they can't hack in someway.

Phones with large amounts of HD space aren't expensive.
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 8:11 pm
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4036 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:13 pm to
I would have told them to get off my property
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
3194 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:17 pm to
You are disgusting in supporting such blatant contempt of the Constitution.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
15616 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

Leads??


Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23754 posts
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:32 pm to
quote:

if you take an animal that belongs to the state Texas illegally

Can you read or just disregard where we are all talking about feds and you're talking about Texas?

Yeah, you can't read:
quote:

With out a warrent,
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 8:34 pm
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36005 posts
Posted on 7/18/24 at 5:44 am to
Wildlife and Fisheries has long been known to play fast and loose with the law in general. Tom has a case...and a good one in LA because the statute is clear as to protections on private property. The only thing I could guess is that LDWF reads that prohibition to mean the homestead and not a separate tract?

In terms of real world motivation though, looks like Tom got on their radar. If I was representing Tom, I would probably ask him if he had any disputes with neighbors. People can be chickenshite, like that, unfortunately and will use things like this to make another person uncomfortable.
Posted by Crowley Cajun
Member since Sep 2004
452 posts
Posted on 7/18/24 at 5:47 am to
I told my wife yesterday that it's ironic that the federal law enforcement agencies can find every person that was at the capitol from J6, even though they live a thousand miles away. But they can't seem to find one 20 year old that is 130 yards away.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36005 posts
Posted on 7/18/24 at 6:32 am to
When you put your exploits on social media like many did, it's easy to find them. So far there has been no real trail left by this shooter. Minimal if non existence of social media or any other meaningful online presence.
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