re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal

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No. I don't trust any of those frickers, but that doesn't make me forget logic and math. I'll repeat what I said a couple hours ago (for about the 20th time) - nobody has explained how we get to a change of more than 17K votes for KL based on any of the evidence introduced at trial, or even just simple logic based on things we know happened.

The only way you can get to 17K votes for KL is with 25K or so voters being disenfranchised because of printer/tabulator issues. Nobody at trial, in the media or on TD has been able to make a credible argument that that happened.

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You are correct. At its core, that is what this case boils down to.

You’re the one willing to take it on faith that 250,000 votes on Election Day yielded a 17,000 margin in favor of Hobbs.

I am not.

Plaintiffs argued based on evidence that the result was not clear. They argued that what Maricopa was saying didn’t make sense.

The lack of production of the records (as far as I am concerned) makes Maricopa’s assertion that the margin was 17000 in favor of Hobbs in doubt. The evidence at trial showed the result was not reliable.

I have no clue what Hobbs margin of victory was, or if she was in fact the victor- bc I saw no evidence that the ballots themselves were reconciled against the chain of custody receipts. The whole case was decided on the basis of a bunch of government ppl saying “because I say so that’s why.”

Further, I heard statistical evidence that 2.5 % of Election Day voters left bc they were inconvenienced or pissed off or had to go work and couldn’t wait in line. Of that 2.5 % more probably than 60 percent or more would have voted for Lake, which ultimately changed the result. There is no other way fo reach this conclusion Except by reference to a disparate impact analysis conducted by a statistician. Maricopa didn’t provide a countering opinion. It just said - we counted for a month and trust us, Hobbs won.

Either way, because Maricopa produced evidence albeit in the form of perjured and otherwise self-interested testimony, the result will more likely than not stand on appeal. As I’ve stated repeatedly. So this entire debate is pointless.

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It's not a leap at all. It's what happened. Troubleshooting IT work often creates new problems while attempting to fix one.

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You don't troubleshoot and make changes on the fly of a production system like that. You certainly don't do it in the middle of an election. You certainly don't allow the fricking format of the ballot to be changed on a system dependent on the format.

You ignorance of systems and controls is apparent. That's ok. It's just not your expertise. But, you may not want to suggest that "troubleshooting" issues is a valid explanation. It's not. It shows a fundamental flaw in the system.

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You don't troubleshoot and make changes on the fly of a production system like that

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ummm, as an It worker i troubleshoot production systems and have teams that troubleshoot on production systems everyday.

In the ITIL framework there's even a process called emergency change where you deliver on the spot changes so fast that you retroactively enter your change controls after the changes are made. the goal of good IT process is uptime. so if service is down, you bet your arse people show up and work on the production systems to try and restore services....happens every day my man. Things break, and someone has to fix them. you can't always wait if it's broken.

During an active election proceeding is the operative part there fella.

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During an active election proceeding is the operative part there fella.

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yeah that's covered by the emergency change process , in fact, the ITIL framework was started for governments... it's extremely applicable to government IT....

these guys weren't rewriting the counting software they were troubleshooting printer and scanner problems.....it's pretty basic IT shite to look at. happens everyday to production systems in live environments. now the county should have already been leveraging problem management(sounds like they were), to get to the root cause of the incidents. But they implemented some emergency changes during the election to try and restore service. this is standard procedural stuff.... Long term they should implement a change that would prevent future outages once the root cause is known.

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During an active election proceeding is the operative part there fella.

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Printers weren't working. They tried several different thing to try to fix them. One of them was going into the printer settings.

From the judge's ruling:

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As relevant here, Mr. Betencourt testified that there were, in fact, multiple technical issues experienced on Election Day.

He testified that these were solved by means such as: 1) taking out toner and/or ink cartridges and shaking them, 2) cleaning the corona wire, 3) letting the printers warm up, 4) cleaning the tabulators, and 5) adjusting settings on the printer. It is of note that, apart from 5), none of these solutions implicates the ballot in a manner suggesting intent. Mr. Betencourt testified that each of these on-site actions were successful to varying degrees, with shaking the toner cartridge being the most effective. It is worth repeating that ballots that could not be read by the tabulator immediately because of printer settings – or anything else – could be deposited in Door 3 of the tabulator and counted later after duplication by a bipartisan adjudication board.

Mr. Betencourt testified that, not only did he lack knowledge of any T-Tech (or anyone else) engaging in intentional misconduct, but further testified that the T-Techs he worked with diligently and expeditiously trouble-shot each problem as they arose, and they did so in a frenetic Election Day environment. Plaintiff’s own witness testified before this Court that the BOD printer failures were largely the result of unforeseen mechanical failure.

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People with nothing to hide generally don’t try THIS hard to pretend there weren’t problems.

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The county hasn't pretended there weren't problems. they just repeatedly asserted that it wasn't some nefarious plot to keep lake from winning like she keeps claiming.

things break, people hit the wrong button, etc. The goal of a good process is that when things go awry they are caught and addressed quickly and efficiently as possible. Thus the box 3 options to have the votes adjudicated to prevent these votes from being uncountable.

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things break, people hit the wrong button, etc. The goal of a good process is that when things go awry they are caught and addressed quickly and efficiently as possible. Thus the box 3 options to have the votes adjudicated to prevent these votes from being uncountable.

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By any means necessary huh Mickey?

You're one of those people that thinks if you can out smart someone to get what you want it's their fault despite how unethical it is aren't you?

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No, I'm just not going to make assumptions that would lead to throwing out an election that had the largest margin of victory of any election that has been overturned in the history of the United States. If you want that done, you need to prove it with clear and convincing evidence.