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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:03 am to David_DJS
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:03 am to David_DJS
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And Gosar, Lesko, and Biggs
They havent done anything
Thats like LA saying we got Cassidy, Kennedy and Scalise not deep red but more red than blue
They are all the same
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Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:05 am to SCLibertarian
She didn’t debate because she has a built in margin. If she debated, it would throw the margin off and they would have to recalculate the cheat.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:06 am to Mickey Goldmill
I can’t believe I’m commenting on Christmas Morning . . .
I still cannot believe I watched someone commit perjury.
I read the opinion. The judge made factual findings. Kari Lake can appeal all she wants- but the findings will be sustained on appeal.
She should have won, but didn’t. I’m concerned for you, Arizona. I love that state. It’s beautiful. I’m so sorry for all of you getting stuck with a corrupt and incompetent aging Valley Girl running it into the ground. Your government has been seized in a bloodless coup.
I still cannot believe I watched someone commit perjury.
I read the opinion. The judge made factual findings. Kari Lake can appeal all she wants- but the findings will be sustained on appeal.
She should have won, but didn’t. I’m concerned for you, Arizona. I love that state. It’s beautiful. I’m so sorry for all of you getting stuck with a corrupt and incompetent aging Valley Girl running it into the ground. Your government has been seized in a bloodless coup.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:06 am to loogaroo
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Those people don’t care. So the country is majority red with people that care.
And this is a perfect summation of why the GOP's focus is on restrictions on access to voting
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don’t think that Loogie even understands that he made your point for you.
And this is a perfect summation of why the GOP's focus is on restrictions on access to voting
Entertaining.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 9:09 am
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:15 am to OceanMan
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It is a pretty big moment in the trial that is now being dismissed by folks like yourself
Where did I "dismiss" anything?
And it's one piece of a trial out of 10,000 that wasn't even evidentiary in nature.
It's not a "big moment".
Now THAT was me decreasing the impact of the vital content. It's not "dismissed" though. It's just rather insignificant.
Think of a 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. Do you think you can identify the picture in the puzzle if you remove one piece? Clearly. That is how the best interpretation of that viral content should be judged within the entirety of the trial.
Something? Sure.
Trial-changing? No.
Again, y'all have been primed to see viral social media content as much more important than it is. Then the echo chamber and repetition amplifiers the perceived importance.
Again, EXACTLY why the optimal strategy for Hobbs was not to debate and to avoid this very scenario.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're speaking in CT riddles now.
That’s a fair point about debates. They do have far less importance than in the past.
As for CT riddles, I don’t do conspiracy theories. The weaknesses of Dominion and the lack of tracking of changes in the vote adjudication process is well-documented.
So when issues in the process of voting happen that drive ballots to adjudication in a tightly contested race, I find that suggestive of gaming the process. I don’t see how rational people can avoid that line of thinking.
I do not believe that Lake undoubtedly won. I do believe that the system was purposefully exploited to influence the outcome on a pretty massive scale.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:16 am to AggieHank86
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I don’t think that Loogie even understands that he made your point for you.
Entertaining.
Well you know if you take out metro Atlanta, Georgia is still super red, too.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:22 am to the808bass
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So when issues in the process of voting happen that drive ballots to adjudication in a tightly contested race, I find that suggestive of gaming the process. I don’t see how rational people can avoid that line of thinking.
I do not believe that Lake undoubtedly won. I do believe that the system was purposefully exploited to influence the outcome on a pretty massive scale.
That's fine, but that doesn't really have anything directly to do with the merits of debating or not, and whether or not giving reason for not debating is an emotional or substantive response in this thread.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:22 am to Cobra Tate
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Now we get Trump/Lake ticket which would be incredible to witness
It certainly would be historic, the first major party ticket in history to lose all 50 states. And it would be a gamechanger, as 25-30% of Republican senators and representatives would leave the GOP and turn Democrats during the course of a long, troubled campaign season.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:23 am to David_DJS
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Chain of custody remains an issue, IMO.
Agree.
It's a big damn hole that needs to be plugged.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:28 am to Wednesday
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She should have won, but didn’t. I’m concerned for you, Arizona. I love that state. It’s beautiful. I’m so sorry for all of you getting stuck with a corrupt and incompetent aging Valley Girl running it into the ground. Your government has been seized in a bloodless coup.
We tried to tell you that your emotions wouldn't override the law.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
You are being dishonest. If people want to vote they can go vote.
Look at Florida.
You have an establishment party (Dems and RINOs) that can do (rule essentially) as they want because they have found a way to subvert the will of the people that actually produce for the country. We might as well be North Korea.
Look at Florida.
You have an establishment party (Dems and RINOs) that can do (rule essentially) as they want because they have found a way to subvert the will of the people that actually produce for the country. We might as well be North Korea.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:33 am to the808bass
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I don’t do conspiracy theories.
quote:
I do believe that the system was purposefully exploited to influence the outcome on a pretty massive scale.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:36 am to the808bass
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The weaknesses of Dominion and the lack of tracking of changes in the vote adjudication process is well-documented.
What dominion weaknesses?
What lack of change tracking?
Would like to understand the specific processes of concern here. Walk us through how it's deficient
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:38 am to oklahogjr
quote:The season’s all-purpose boogyman.
Dominion
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:44 am to oklahogjr
You can adjudicate a ballot without the system tracking the user performing the adjudication.
In fact, it’s unclear that a user is able to be tracked in the adjudication process.
In fact, it’s unclear that a user is able to be tracked in the adjudication process.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:44 am to loogaroo
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If people want to vote they can go vote.
I'm just going to point out that where the Lake/Hobbs election debate is concerned, you're arguing against yourself if for that election, your POV is that tens of thousands of voters were disenfranchised because there were 70 tabulators (out of 466) that couldn't scan certain ballots, which resulted in long lines at a handful of voting centers, which happened to be 2 miles from a voting center with no line.
I'm being a little facetious, but you get my point.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:50 am to the808bass
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You can adjudicate a ballot without the system tracking the user performing the adjudication.
Who is the user being tracked? Like the voter themselves?
Or are you saying ballots are adjudicated without proper over site by teams from both parties?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 10:01 am to David_DJS
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your POV is that tens of thousands of voters were disenfranchised because there were 70 tabulators (out of 466) that couldn't scan certain ballots, which resulted in long lines at a handful of voting centers, which happened to be 2 miles from a voting center with no line.
Could she have even focused on chain of title with the way this judge set up the trial?
People are missing this point. She wasn't given the opportunity to have a fair shake on all the evidence.
This judge did just enough for a show trial and punt.
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