re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal

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That implies you know either how she was cheated out of nearly 17K votes or how Hobbs was unduly credited with 17K votes, or some combination that adds up to 17K votes.

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That's the problem.

Neither side can really know because it is a shite system to start with.


Our election systems are not credible.

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She is the quintessential “bad candidate”that you and other stupid people like you have been harping on for 6+ weeks now.

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That's an argument for Republicans, who are the minority party in the US (And most of these purple areas now).

DEMs were on the brink of being a tentpole party soon after 2016 but the powers that be got all the factions to line up again and they're a party ID party again. If the voters of your party will vote for any pol the party gives, then it's about turnout.

The GOP gained as a party-ID party early on under Trump but veered the opposite of DEMs. Now it's a tentpole party again, which means the pols have to appeal to a wide base of a variety of factions. This presents difficulties when you have suburban moderates and extremist Evangelicals to appeal to. Good candidates matter, because their biggest trick is getting the Extremist Evangelicals to turnout, but also by primarily appealing to suburban moderates.

DEMs were on the ropes with their moderates (non-urban union members, who they were losing) and extremists (urban blue haired progressives), but pulled it together. If you look at Trumpkins, they want a new faction and, being the minority population of a minority party, they have no path to victory in anywhere close to a moderate area. Even the stain of being endorsed by Trump can derail you in these areas (like Oz, but that also was a whirlwind because of the terrible GOP choice for Governor. The DEM machine was churning via Shapiro and Festerman got a lot of help from that).

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Literally the opposite.

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Explain.

How is discussing the merits and value of debating not substantive?

How is discussing the merits and value of debating an emotional response?

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That's the problem.

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It’s a problem for anybody that’s convinced themselves that KL was robbed of a win and the judge is a typical politically-driven liberal, or maybe he’s afraid of being the target of Lefty violence, and that’s the only explanation for such an egregious decision.

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Neither side can really know because it is a shite system to start with.

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Yes and no. There are definite chain of custody issues, the involvement of 3rd parties doesn’t instill confidence, mail-in ballots should be more difficult to acquire and broadly, the county board of supervisors is elections’ version of an uppity school board telling parents they don’t have a right to decide what’s taught their kids. But unless we’re suggesting a very large conspiracy involving (nearly) only Republicans where tens of thousands of ballots are created out of thin air and injected into the system under the watchful eye of Republican election observers, the only legit argument for fraud and a revote would be tens of thousands of voters disenfranchised by unreasonably long lines that persisted throughout the county. And that didn’t happen.

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"Winning" a debate wouldn't have moved her in the polls. This isn't 1963. Don't be a dullard.

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It's not about "winning" the debate. For Republicans like Kari Lake, a debate would be the only place where moderates would get to see Hobbs be actually challenged by someone on her history and policies. The legacy media is in the tank for Democrats, so it's not like they'll see it there. When one political party takes the position that they don't need to debate (and that will be the standard position now for Democrats moving forward), it speaks volumes about the state of our media and the electorate.

Every Republican will lose every election going forward until they cheat like democrats, which they refuse to do.

Enjoy living in communist America in a few years.

Until the right has ballot harvesting, etc set up and rolling, I wont show up to vote.

Not interested in winning? Cool. Dont ask for my help.

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Winning" a debate wouldn't have moved her in the polls. This isn't 1963. Don't be a dullard.

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But you all claimed Don losing his debate against Joe moved the polls

Mail in ballots enable the Dems to collect ballots from people who don’t care and otherwise wouldn’t vote. If not for that…the country is majority red.

Without mail in ballots, you would have Trump as president and a GOP congress. Newsom would have been recalled and who knows where else GOP would be in office.

It’s the same story that we’ve seen since 2020

1. Democrats use blatant voter fraud to steal an election

2. Republican takes it to court

3. Cowardly or just flat out corrupt judge, usually a Democrat, throws out the case.

4. Corrupt leftists cite corrupt judge’s ruling to claim validity of election.

5. Corrupt media, operating at the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party push the party narrative that the election was legit and paint Republicans as dangerous, unAmerican, election deniers.

Time to face facts. Our constitutional republic has become a one-party totalitarian state.

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Having one warm body in person place one ballot in the box is sufficient and preserves anonminity.

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Dude people were on here criticizing the LA voting system because there is no way to verify that vote is counted correctly via audit.

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But you all claimed Don losing his debate against Joe moved the polls

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I didn't. I said the first debate was an utter shite show and a terrible performance by Trump. It didn't help or hurt anyone other than the Platonic ideal of a democratic system. Biden was incoherent and Trump was just throwing random attempt at haymakers for social media.