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re: Bolton: 'Trump is in a state of utter confusion' over the Strait of Hormuz

Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:37 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167573 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:37 am to
The poor fishers of men in the strait...

On another sidenote. That Patel this FBI thread saying its happening...can frick right off.

Why isnt Bolton giving interviews from a padded cell?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 7:38 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173799 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:38 am to
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Yeah, because what Trump is doing now is perfect. No questions needed.

Maybe he'll make a perfect phone call with one of the Iranian leaders
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:39 am to
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As Trump Scarecrow..


This war in Iran shows that talking point does not reflect reality
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6792 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:39 am to
I hate that people can't admit that Trump messed up and defend and justify his actions to the end. This has not turned out the way I think he expected. I think Israel pushed the WH to do this war and Trump fell for it. I believe he thought that the initial attack on leaders and swarm of bombing would bring them to the table quickly and this would be done fast. Also thinking that the IRGC would fold and people would take their country back. Whether this was bad Intel, Israeli persuasion, or whatever....this has not gone as planned.
It looks like we did all this to get rid of the Islamicist leadership and the radicals in the IRGC, but in the end it looks like that isn't going to happen. Now we are going to have to cut a deal with the radicals that were supposed to be out of power.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167573 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:41 am to
So you believed Vindman? Did you believe Christine-Blasey-Ford and her 2 doors?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:41 am to
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I think Israel pushed the WH to do this war and Trump fell for it. I believe he thought that the initial attack on leaders and swarm of bombing would bring them to the table quickly and this would be done fast. Also thinking that the IRGC would fold and people would take their country back. Whether this was bad Intel, Israeli persuasion, or whatever....this has not gone as planned.


I think this is clearly the reasonable summary of what occurred.

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It looks like we did all this to get rid of the Islamicist leadership and the radicals in the IRGC, but in the end it looks like that isn't going to happen.

It never was without boots on the ground and full scale invasion, and the likelihood we ultimately achieved our goals, even with that, were low.
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5132 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:43 am to
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Some of us also are old enough to remember when he was part of a Trump admin


Some of us are old enough to remember when Trump had to rely on some others for DC picks, because he was not fully aware of the DC cesspool of Globalists, and it cost him.

Some of us are also old enough to know that in 2024, Trump knew everything about 2020 and made sure it didn't get to happen again in 2024 because he had the right people.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68483 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:44 am to
Very fair assessment here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:44 am to
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Some of us are old enough to remember when Trump had to rely on some others for DC picks, because he was not fully aware of the DC cesspool of Globalists, and it cost him.


Trump is engaging in the largest globalist endeavor in decades with this war in Iran, and Bolton is nowhere near this admin


*ETA: and Bolton was super happy Trump finally fulfilled his dream.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 7:46 am
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13200 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:45 am to
You either wipe it off the face of the earth or, breed it out.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68483 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:45 am to
This board was almost united in called Kush a globalist Dem until this term.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:46 am to
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You either wipe it off the face of the earth

Impossible

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or, breed it out.

Impossible without a major reduction in the world's population.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:47 am to
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This board was almost united in called Kush a globalist Dem until this term.


The spin necessary to make Iran part of the globalist network is probably the most retarded MAGA bullshite in its history.
Posted by Murph4HOF
A-T-L-A-N-T-A (that's where I stay)
Member since Sep 2019
18962 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:48 am to
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Guys who topped out at colonel are the real go to military experts.
Honestly, yeah. After COL you're more of a politician than a Soldier.

But if you want to downplay their opinions because of their rank, here's some higher ranking opinions:

Retired general: Trump ‘an absolutely terrible commander in chief’
Retired admiral: ‘We might have been a little late’ asking for help in Strait of Hormuz
Adm. James Foggo on the Iran war: I would encourage ‘strategic and tactical patience’ here
"We're in a tough spot": Mattis delivers harsh Iran assessment
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24023 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:48 am to
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It never was without boots on the ground and full scale invasion

Would be a PR disaster. The Iranian leaders know this.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13200 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:50 am to
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Impossible


A higher power tried it and failed.

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major reduction in the world's population.


Wouldn't hurt my feeling in the least.
Posted by Bob_Sugar
Member since Mar 2026
121 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:51 am to
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Some of us also are old enough to remember when he was part of a Trump admin


You obviously have never taken 30 seconds to understand why. You just blindly regurgitate main stream media talking point. How gay!
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6792 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:59 am to
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I think this is clearly the reasonable summary of what occurred.


This worries me that you agree with my post. We are never on the same page in our political/social ideology.
Seriously though there are times when people with opposing views occasionally agree on something. When we see a certain poster we immediately think that we have to be the opposite of whatever they posted. This is not the case. I also think it is not the case that as a Trump voter, I have to sale, justify, and agree with everything Trump does or says
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 7:59 am to
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Would be a PR disaster. The Iranian leaders know this.


Correct. I wasn't arguing we SHOULD do it, just what it would take.
Posted by jawnybnsc
Greer, SC
Member since Dec 2016
6002 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:00 am to
There's no evidence that you know more about this than The President does. You don't know what he was told. You don't know what the expectations were, or are. You don't understand the strategy. You have the attention span of a gnat.
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