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re: Black Hawk was flying at 400 feet—twice the legal height limit of 200 feet
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:11 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:11 pm to monsterballads
200 feet of separation is acceptable between these two aircraft? This is a joke. 100 feet excursion in altitude can be instrument error. The atc should have maintained better distance in flight paths. They’ve had more near misses the past 2-3 years than is acceptable. This is the result.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:17 pm to pitchandcatch27
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Why would you wear night vision goggles on a beautiful clear night with light illumination everywhere.
You have to perform a check ride with an IP to be certified to use nvg's
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:18 pm to OchoDedos
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You have to perform a check ride with an IP to be certified to use nvg's
Do you think that's what was going on at the time of the crash?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:19 pm to Upperaltiger06
Waiting for more info but ATC is in control. Starts there.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:26 pm to goatmilker
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Waiting for more info but ATC is in control. Starts there.
The Controller could have asked the helo to hold its position, make a 180, or make an S turn to increase separation. VFR requires a level of trust between the aircraft and Controller, especially in tight situations. Ultimately, it's the VFR aircrafts responsibility to navigate and avoid.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:31 pm to AllDayEveryDay
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I had not seen that video yet. All I can think about is what the last moments of those passengers were. Fire and pain? Panic? Was there anytime for either? Man. Heavy
I am sure looking at the wreckage that most of the passengers from the wings back were most likely still alive on impact. The roof of the fuselage took the majority of the impact. I would imagine most if not all of the passengers were knocked out on impact and drowned. Perhaps only the passengers in the very last few seat might have not lost consciousness but then they would have needed to unbuckle upside down in frigid waters and egress. I would not be surprised to find out on autopsies that some of the rear passengers had water in their lungs which would indicate they were alive in the water. Sad, if this happened in summer perhaps a few would have made it but it was just too cold to have survived without EMS and CPR within the first 10 minutes.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:40 pm to Smeg
Even with clear error on behalf of the helicopter pilot, the collision should have been avoided-- and WOULD have, with the normal two, not just one air traffic controllers present on this flight landing. The incoming plane could have been directed to remain in a holding pattern in the air until it was deemed safe to land.
Trump with his "firing frenzy" as he took office assured us there would be a shortage of air traffic control personnel.
Trump with his "firing frenzy" as he took office assured us there would be a shortage of air traffic control personnel.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:41 pm to tarzana
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Trump with his "firing frenzy" as he took office assured us there would be a shortage of air traffic control personnel.
The shortage long pre-dates Trump, dumbfrick. The supervisor at DCA said it was common practice to have controllers cover more than one job. That practice was in place for more than just the last 10 days, obviously.
There wouldn't be a shortage if qualified white candidates weren't turned down for being white.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:44 pm to tarzana
Go back to screaming in the jungle.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:54 pm to monsterballads
Plus that jog to the SW is illegal. The instructions are to hug the east side of that island (per a friend who was a Navy helicopter pilot and has been discussing this with his former squadron). So he violated the horizontal and vertical boundaries of the corridor.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:56 pm to Penrod
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So he violated the horizontal and vertical boundaries of the corridor.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:57 pm to Hodag
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I haven't seen any of the "experts" on X or Reddit offer an explanation. And none of our actual experts here at TD have any theories.
It’s because there is no viable theory for that helicopter to be too high and too far west for the corridor. There is no excuse for that, unless the controls malfunctioned, and I can’t imagine that.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:57 pm to OchoDedos
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If the CWO4 mistook the departure from Runway 1 as the landing RJ
A pilot was interviewed said he believed the Blackhawk was looking at the plane on approach directly behind the one he hit
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:57 pm to The Boat
I know…it.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:58 pm to omegaman66
I know absolutely nothing about flying, just going by some of the pilots I have heard/read talking about this.
Wouldn't it have to be a spur of the moment decision by the helicopter pilot if it was intentional? And even then I am persuaded by people who say it would be difficult for a moving helicopter to intentionally hit a moving airplane like that.
Wouldn't it have to be a spur of the moment decision by the helicopter pilot if it was intentional? And even then I am persuaded by people who say it would be difficult for a moving helicopter to intentionally hit a moving airplane like that.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:02 pm to TigerintheNO
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A pilot was interviewed said he believed the Blackhawk was looking at the plane on approach directly behind the one he hit
The chopper was instructed to go behind the incoming plane.
If they were looking at the trailing plane they decided to fly in front of it.
It doesn't matter what plane they were looking at in the end. They flew into the flightpath.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:23 pm to The Boat
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There wouldn't be a shortage
... if Republican lawmakers hadn't made a fetish of budgetary brinkmanship and shutting down the government before continuing resolution compromises, during the Biden presidency.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:31 pm to monsterballads
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this honestly looks intentional at this point. but we'll see what the investigation says.
Intentional by the helo pilot? So a military helo pilot decided to commit suicide, killing 2 of his crew, while taking out a plane full of young ice skaters and their families? Good to know...
And I hesitant to post such a far reaching and outlandish theory here, but the pilot could have just made a terrible mistake.
Oh, and in before "are you telling me the government never lies?"
Posted on 1/31/25 at 1:52 pm to monsterballads
That was intentional.
All trans should be kicked out of military and sent to some remote island
All trans should be kicked out of military and sent to some remote island
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:00 pm to tarzana
You are one despicable, desperate human being (and I'm using that term loosely).
You DGAF about any of those people. You just want a "gotcha"!
You DGAF about any of those people. You just want a "gotcha"!
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