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re: Black Hawk was flying at 400 feet—twice the legal height limit of 200 feet
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:52 am to Laugh More
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:52 am to Laugh More
quote:I'm sure it probably is just 'Hell of good timing' -- but what if it's not?
Is that footage taken by a person? Looks shaky. Hell of good timing to catch that.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:52 am to IvoryBillMatt
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These two videos are the most compelling arguments for intentionally crashing.
Went straight at the jet like a heat-seeking missile.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:55 am to Honest Tune
Just to show the advantage of interactive social media over legacy media, here's a CNN story from this morning "breaking" the story that the Blackhawk was too high and off course:
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:55 am to monsterballads
Obviously don't know, but someone mentioned the Helo was 1/2 mil off course also. Wouldn't ATC be able to see that being that close to the airport and such a tight airspace?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:04 am to Lsut81
I have not gone on the record with MY conclusion. But I will now. Accident. Not intentional.
Why?
Any collision will look intentional. (So looks don't indicate either way)
Trump has not said anything about it being intentional.
Trump has mentions DEI practices that could lead to crap like this.
I am open to change my mind and would not be shocked if I must. But for now. I am going with it was an accident.
Why?
Any collision will look intentional. (So looks don't indicate either way)
Trump has not said anything about it being intentional.
Trump has mentions DEI practices that could lead to crap like this.
I am open to change my mind and would not be shocked if I must. But for now. I am going with it was an accident.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:08 am to monsterballads
I had not seen that video yet. All I can think about is what the last moments of those passengers were. Fire and pain? Panic? Was there anytime for either? Man. Heavy
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:11 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:
Just to show the advantage of interactive social media over legacy media, here's a CNN story from this morning "breaking" the story that the Blackhawk was too high and off course:
But Jim Acosta and Chris [Fredo] Cuomo* told me only established media sources should be trusted.
* Who could forget Chris telling us we could be arrested for accessing wiki-leaks, we should allow the media to explain what was there. Dumb-arse
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:38 am to captainFid
My question exactly. Don’t want to get too tin foil, but maybe someone knew something was going to happen?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:50 am to Bass Tiger
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It was reported the crew were wearing night vision goggles......why? Why would the crew wear night vision equipment while flying in a highly illuminated airspace? Makes no sense.
It was training. You have to train with NVGs to be qualified on NVG night flying. Same with driving military ground vehicles, you have to train on it.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:58 am to Bass Tiger
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It was reported the crew were wearing night vision goggles......why? Why would the crew wear night vision equipment while flying in a highly illuminated airspace? Makes no sense.
Apparently, that is where they have been doing this training for year. Normally, they fly up/down the river with the lights on the side being the border.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:03 am to monsterballads
I get the dumbass part. I dont get the intentional part. If there was one person I could possibly believe intentional. But there were 3 people on board. So all 3 would have had to be in on the plan.
Whats the chances of that?
Whats the chances of that?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:06 am to PaperTiger
I would believe the altimeter set to the wrong barometric pressure to account for the altitude deviation more than 3 people decide to try to hit an aircraft with a helicopter.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:15 am to PaperTiger
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I get the dumbass part. I dont get the intentional part. If there was one person I could possibly believe intentional. But there were 3 people on board. So all 3 would have had to be in on the plan.
If it was the plan of only one person, it would require only one to execute - the one with the stick.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:18 am to Zephyrius
This is not correct. Night vision is still through tube like goggles. And many units have moved away for green but now it’s all just different shades of white. No dramatic increase to clarity. And in an urban area, the lights would be potentially difficult to differentiate between aircraft lights and ground lights.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:23 am to Lsut81
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Obviously don't know, but someone mentioned the Helo was 1/2 mil off course also. Wouldn't ATC be able to see that being that close to the airport and such a tight airspace?
ATC twice asked the blackhawk if he had eyes on the plane, both times the BH said yes and asked for visual separation. The blackhawk could have been looking at the wrong plane.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:37 am to TigerintheNO
If the CWO2 was acting as PIC and in the left seat, her visual responsibilities are level, above, and below from 270 to 360 degrees in VFR. The CWO4 instructor would have been to the right from 360 to 090.. The CWO4 would have been making the radio calls. The Crew Chief should've been observing also. If the CWO4 mistook the departure from Runway 1 as the landing RJ, and the CWO2 didn't check her field of vision, then you have a midair with an aircraft that was never visually identified .
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:40 am to OchoDedos
quote:
If the CWO2 was acting as PIC and in the left seat, her visual responsibilities are level, above, and below from 270 to 360 degrees in VFR. The CWO4 instructor would have been to the right from 360 to 090.. The CWO4 would have been making the radio calls. The Crew Chief should've been observing also. If the CWO4 mistook the departure from Runway 1 as the landing RJ, and the CWO2 didn't check her field of vision, then you have a midair with an aircraft that was never visually identified .
I have seen some people mention that there should have been 4 on the Blackhawk, not 3.. Is it possible that created a blind spot?
eta: at the end of the day, they were asked if they saw the RJ and they said yes, therefore they had their eyes on the wrong plane.. simple as that..
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:43 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:44 am to BigBro
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Is it possible that created a blind spot?
USN and USCG crew compliment on MH , SH, and HH variants are 4. Don't have a clue what the Army does, or even if the PAT flight was legal without a 4th crewman.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:48 am to monsterballads
Why would you wear night vision goggles on a beautiful clear night with light illumination everywhere. Somethings going on here, looks like the Black Hawk intentionally ran into the jet. He could have shot upward or made a hard left turn. He had lots of time to get out of the way. Tragic.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:59 am to OccamsStubble
Yeah but they were flying at a steady elevation. No one on board, not even the instructor, would have noticed they were a lot higher than they were supposed to be?
If the reports are accurate, and they were at 400 ft and supposed to be at 200 ft, you would think somebody would said "watch your elevation".
If the black hawk would have jerked up suddenly, yeah, I could see it. But it didnt from the video that I have seen.
If the reports are accurate, and they were at 400 ft and supposed to be at 200 ft, you would think somebody would said "watch your elevation".
If the black hawk would have jerked up suddenly, yeah, I could see it. But it didnt from the video that I have seen.
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