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re: Biden's lead in polling average is the highest at this stage in campaign since 1996

Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:33 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:33 am to
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There's nuance, but the pollsters aren't complete idiots.


How many had hillary with an 80%+ chance of winning again?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26736 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:34 am to
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I've said for months that I think Trump will win. And I still believe that.


You also said the Supreme Court isn't political, so.............
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:34 am to
What a fricking maroon
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:35 am to
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You also said the Supreme Court isn't political, so.............


Seriously Mickey, you said that shite?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:36 am to
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I've said for months that I think Trump will win. And I still believe that. These polls are going to have to really rethink how they are performing after 2 presidential elections that show how off they are.
At this stage, these are nothing but deliberate suppression polls.

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll has Trump approval identical with Obama's on this day four years ago –– 49%.

A 7% differential is not a mistake. It is a lie.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7418 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:37 am to
Completely irrelevant in the era of Trump.

Response rates for polls in 2000 was something like 35%. Today it's less than 2%.

Also, a candidate losing the popular vote and winning the electoral college was always considered an anomaly. Not so any longer.

If Biden wins the national popular vote by 2% or less, he loses.

As a matter of fact, he could win it by as much as 4% and still lose.

The national polling is worthless. Actually that's not true, it's only worth is as evidence that polls are meaningless.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
16871 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:42 am to
The bigger the lie the more believable
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:45 am to
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Anyone who thinks Trump is leading presently is deluding themselves. And BTW - the polls were pretty accurate in 2016. There's nuance, but the pollsters aren't complete idiots.


Damn, son. This exact thing just happened in 2016 and you're questioning it. Wow, talk about refusing reality...
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10569 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:46 am to
Hillary only led by 1.4 points in 538's polling going into the first debate in 2016.
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 11:47 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:47 am to
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These polls are going to have to really rethink how they are performing after 2 presidential elections that show how off they are.

if Trump wins again and this happens, it's almost worthy of a public inquiry or DOJ investigation

this seems like it would take coordination to commit, effectively fraud and/or influence elections, which could be a RICO case, theoretically
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:48 am to
I care about states
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 11:49 am to
Fantastic for a guy who can't draw flies at a 'rally'.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26736 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:14 pm to
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Seriously Mickey, you said that shite?


He did.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154158 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:16 pm to
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These polls are going to have to really rethink how they are performing after 2 presidential elections that show how off they are.


They aren’t seeking truth. They are seeking a result.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
21825 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:18 pm to
the sad thing is you think its real. its literally like last election cycle didn't happen, nobody ont eh left learned any lessons. over poll democrats to try to create voter suppression polls, believe your own skewed polls, be shocked when trump wins, lose shite
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26340 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:19 pm to
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the sad thing is you think its real. its literally like last election cycle didn't happen, nobody ont eh left learned any lessons. over poll democrats to try to create voter suppression polls, believe your own skewed polls, be shocked when trump wins, lose shite



Did you not read my post at all?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26736 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:20 pm to
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They aren’t seeking truth. They are seeking a result.



Is this even debatable at this point? As it gets nearer they'll talk about uncertainty and margin of error because they want to maintain credibility, but most polls are about impacting the election, not predicting it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135003 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:27 pm to
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Did you not read my post at all?
I suspect that would be a big fat no
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38206 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:30 pm to
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National polls, sure because states like California exist. State polls were horrible though.
Yes, need to make sure that we're not just looking dumbly at popular vote without regard to electoral map.

But don't kid yourself - Trump is actually behind on the electoral map and it is not looking good. The Senate is in play as well, which is what I care most about.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
40808 posts
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:32 pm to
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But don't kid yourself - Trump is actually behind on the electoral map and it is not looking good

Trump has defied every expectation of the American political class since 2015. The idea the election is over with more than a month before election day is absolutely irresponsible, but not surprising of the Mockingbird media.
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