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re: Biden blowing up the pipeline would do more to fight "globalism" than anything Trump
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:41 am to squid_hunt
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:41 am to squid_hunt
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Russia as a straight irrational actor with no objectives is garbage.
Putin is a rational actor.
Part of that is creating irrational justifications that true believers and dullards will latch onto, to give him cover.
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Putin has been very deliberate about what he is doin and why.
You're kind of proving my point about why he loves his bullshite justifications
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Blowing up the pipeline does not help Putin. He loses leverage.
What leverage? He is the one who cut off gas to Europe. You think him showing weakness and giving into sanctions is his leverage?
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You're a deliberate liar. Who knows your motivation but you are trying to muddy the entire issue in a very dishonest way.
I said you can't just snap your fingers and immediately put gas in Europe.
You replied with talking about billions going to Ukraine and stopping war and all sorts of "points" unrelated to petro production/shipping.
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:42 am to Powerman
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So you just take Putin at his word? Jesus Christ man
You tell me, why did Putin invade Ukraine?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
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But it's not. This is the primary reason for Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
Again.
Proving my point about why Putin loves his bullshite justifications, in real time.
Thank you.
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. You are making up reasons for the Russian invasion of Ukraine and avoiding what Putin and Russian generals have been saying about NATO advancement.
Because it's irrational and bullshite.
It's literally Putin manufacturing a justification so that he isn't the bad guy. His hardliners and useful idiots will defend him.
Kind of like what you're doing.
Again. Thank you.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:43 am to GumboPot
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Just admit it. The U.S. under Biden wants to make Ukraine a NATO member state and Biden even said so.
Sure.
That in no way justifies war.
NATO is defensive unless authorized by the UNSC. Russia has the power to veto any UNSC policies.
NATO is no threat to Russia.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
I disagree with you because Trump completely averted the war, which was the only real solution. Avoidance is always the best method of self defense.
However, if the US did blow up the pipeline, I would have to give Biden props for screwing over the EU and Russia.
However, if the US did blow up the pipeline, I would have to give Biden props for screwing over the EU and Russia.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:45 am to ELVIS U
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I disagree with you because Trump completely averted the war, which was the only real solution. Avoidance is always the best method of self defense.
However, if the US did blow up the pipeline, I would have to give Biden props for screwing over the EU and Russia.
This is an honest response
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:46 am to GumboPot
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You tell me, why did Putin invade Ukraine?
To take control over natural resources and trade routes
It wasn't some act of self defense and you're a fool if you believe that
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Biden blowing up the pipeline would do more to fight "globalism" than anything Trump
dreamed of doing.
Just the opposite
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:47 am to Jjdoc
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Just the opposite
Define globlaism
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure.
That in no way justifies war.
Justified or not. It's why Putin invaded.
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NATO is defensive unless authorized by the UNSC. Russia has the power to veto any UNSC policies.
NATO is no threat to Russia.
How did it work out for the Russian vote in the UNSC for all the most recent countries that joined NATO?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:48 am to Powerman
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To take control over natural resources and trade routes
Yeah I mean look at a map of Ukraine
Then look at Crimea, which Russia already illegally invaded and now controls.
WHY would Putin want to take over the parts of Ukraine between Crimea and Russia? Must be NATO aggression that's never existed. That's it.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:49 am to GumboPot
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Justified or not. It's why Putin invaded.
No it's not.
It's his bullshite PR as to why he invaded.
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How did it work out for the Russian vote in the UNSC for all the most recent countries that joined NATO?
Which country did NATO invade?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't think Biden did anything because he's a retard with shite-filled jeans who doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground.
It's obvious he isn't running anything except his leaking butt hole.
The USA is being run by committee at this point with power players we've probably never heard of pulling the strings. The same people who took the 15 different identities of Obama being raised by card carrying communists and crafted that into a narrative that got him elected president with zero experience and average intelligence.
That's should be the real question of this thread...the primary issue.
WHO is running this country?
Once that is known, THEN the question of WHY things COULD happen would be much clearer.
It's obvious he isn't running anything except his leaking butt hole.
The USA is being run by committee at this point with power players we've probably never heard of pulling the strings. The same people who took the 15 different identities of Obama being raised by card carrying communists and crafted that into a narrative that got him elected president with zero experience and average intelligence.
That's should be the real question of this thread...the primary issue.
WHO is running this country?
Once that is known, THEN the question of WHY things COULD happen would be much clearer.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 8:51 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:51 am to theunknownknight
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That's should be the real question of this thread...the primary issue.
WHO is running this country?
Globalists
Who, apparently, want to attack globalism
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
OP, think bigger.. this lays more groundwork for globalism.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:52 am to BurntOrangeMan
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this lays more groundwork for globalism.
Define globalism
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're kind of proving my point about why he loves his bullshite justifications
To what end? His crappy justification for invading Ukraine has real objectives and the most likely one is getting out of our noose. No evil villain justification needed.
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What leverage? He is the one who cut off gas to Europe.
He cut off gas to force them to back off. What threats does he have now?
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I said you can't just snap your fingers and immediately put gas in Europe.
Have we even started trying? Like six months ago when he pulled this? No. Weird.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
We are moving to a bipolar world, US/EU and China/Russia.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Biden blowing up the pipeline would do more to fight "globalism" than anything Trump
No, not at all. Maybe if Biden blew it up publicly but with plausible deniability (if the US is actually involved) and Putin's attempt at breaking down the NWO the strategy would be to clearly push the EU into the US's waiting arms. In other words, advancing globalism. The next stage would be war with Russia to remove Putin's influence on the world stage.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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The US and EU being at odds with each other would literally rewrite the world order
This is why I think it was Russia.
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