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re: Berkeley professors lose their minds over free speech
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:32 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:32 pm to buckeye_vol
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But it seems like every time this a professor presents these types of stupid viewpoints, it's picked up immediately, and largely spread by the right wing websites
This isn't quite Breitbart.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:38 pm to buckeye_vol
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Cal-Berkeley has 1522 professors, and like usual we find one or two professors who make these types of arguments. In this case, 0.13% of the entire faculty in one of the most left leaning places in the country presenting this view.
Yeah, I had a teacher to try to get me expelled for mocking her in front of the class saying that African Americans were more persecuted than Jews throughout human history (that among other times I had mocked her for being ridiculously PC, but that was the week before and she was black). This bitch counted off 15 points on my first test for putting BC instead of BCE in a religion class, and I was very actively at war with her since then. Eventually there was a literal arts and crafts project to paint a picture and say what it means in religion. I halfass it to the extreme and just paint a rainbow and tell her what the colors mean in Buddhism. She then turned me over to the plagiarism office for not citing my source on where I got the color info from.
She was ridiculously smug having me stay after class saying I was about to be expelled. Went over for my preliminary hearing later that week, and the guy was fricking pissed when he realized he was dragged in on a Friday afternoon for something a 2 year old could have done. Going into class the following Monday was fricking awesome and I was more vocal than ever on that specific class.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 8:43 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
That is the epitome of a new gender pronoun (since the left is so proud to invent those and all).
That professor is a S(he)H(e)It, a shite.
That professor is a S(he)H(e)It, a shite.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:12 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Does anybody else find it ironic that in the 60's, the students fought the administration at UC Berkeley for the right to speak freely, and now the roles are reversed?
The problem is that the far left is the most authoritarian faction in American politics. Freedom may initially be useful to spread their ideas, but they have zero interest in individual liberty, as people are just cogs in a machine heading towards a perceived utopia. Once their ideas enter the marketplace, opposing viewpoints are to be shouted down, violently opposed or anything outright censored.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:15 pm to monceaux
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“Words can be like rape — they can destroy you,”
well, this i sorta agree with.... basically, words have consequences... and it's true... go into your place of employment and use your free speech to curse out your boss, and tell me how it goes.... you have the right to say what you want, but it doesn't absolve you from the consequence of what you say...
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you will get jailed for certain speech — and I think that is absolutely the right thing.”
well, this i absolutely oppose... jailed for talking? shite, what's next? electric chair for jaywalking?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:36 pm to chRxis
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well, this i sorta agree with.... basically, words have consequences... and it's true... go into your place of employment and use your free speech to curse out your boss, and tell me how it goes.... you have the right to say what you want, but it doesn't absolve you from the consequence of what you say...
I've had friends who were raped. Sorry, it's not even remotely the same thing.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 9:59 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:It ain't like this is their first rodeo
Of course, one would think that with 1520 other full time faculty, there would be hundreds of faculty members making the same arguments to show how pervasive these views are within the faculty.
If there are a lot of faculty that oppose the fact that Cal is routinely shutting down speech that doesn't conform, they're a quiet bunch.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:24 pm to monceaux
I am prepared to die for my right to speak my mind. If all I do is type or speak something and anybody tries to take my freedom for me they will have to kill me.
Now if I physically harm someone then yes, arrest me, taz me, cuff me, or kill me. But I will not be arrested for speech.
Now if I physically harm someone then yes, arrest me, taz me, cuff me, or kill me. But I will not be arrested for speech.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:30 pm to Jcorye1
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I've had friends who were raped. Sorry, it's not even remotely the same thing.
i'm actually just concerned with the latter part of the statement, which is the point of it anyway.... "words can destroy you"... that's what i'm actually commenting on... the first part is just a bad analogy that wasn't worth the time to validate with a response... but evidently i should have
i've had a coworker that was raped, and yes it sucks to see someone have to deal with that... i, myself, was molested when i was younger, so i have first hand knowledge of sexual impropriety.... but i'm not quite as sensitive about it as you evidently are....
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:31 pm to chRxis
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part of the statement, which is the point of it anyway.... "words can destroy you"... that's what i'm actually commenting on.
Stupidity
Words can't destroy shite
Posted on 9/22/17 at 10:54 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I vehemently oppose it, but I would probably be relatively quiet about it in their shoes. I spent 10 years in college at multiple large universities, and while there wasn't anything as nationally relevant (politically at least) like this during my time, I was largely unaware or didn't care about whatever was occurring. I don't think I was alone in that either. And I had two professors that I worked a lot with and developed a more personal relationship where we could discuss politics and life in general. One was conservative and the other was liberal. Neither ever seemed caught up in any of those types of things either.
If there are a lot of faculty that oppose the fact that Cal is routinely shutting down speech that doesn't conform, they're a quiet bunch.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:00 pm to texag7
quote:No. But when we're arguing that the faculty largely support this, which would presumably imply at least a simple majority (762 to be precise), then I think we would need to see a lot more than 2 to assume that 760 or more of the other faculty share that view.
So are you definitively saying they are the only ones?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:22 pm to ShortyRob
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Words can't destroy shite
obviously "destroy" is hyperbole, but are you really sitting here saying that even with free speech, there is never any consequence to what you choose to say?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 11:43 pm to monceaux
Progs:
Robert Mapplethorpe's taxpayer-funded "art" that was a photo of a crucifix immersed in piss -- GOOD, FREE SPEECH
On public land, privately funded monuments to dead American citizens who fought for the Confederacy -- BAD, MUST DESTROY AND DIVIDE
Robert Mapplethorpe's taxpayer-funded "art" that was a photo of a crucifix immersed in piss -- GOOD, FREE SPEECH
On public land, privately funded monuments to dead American citizens who fought for the Confederacy -- BAD, MUST DESTROY AND DIVIDE
Posted on 9/23/17 at 8:20 am to chRxis
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obviously "destroy" is hyperbole, but are you really sitting here saying that even with free speech, there is never any consequence to what you choose to say
Yep
Offense is a choice.
My words only have the power YOU give them.
I realize young folks failed to learn this reality.
Im sorry for your inadequacy
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:12 am to monceaux
If these psychos really think this, then they should be pushing the democrat party to hold a constitutional convention to change the 1st amendment. Why are they not spearheading this?
That's right, because it makes them look crazy.
That's right, because it makes them look crazy.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:49 am to texag7
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Berkeley
kill them all
Posted on 9/23/17 at 9:54 am to ShortyRob
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But are they?
Looks like the faculty is with the students
Basically. The "free speech" people of 70s Cal grew up to teach anti free speech
So protesting someone you don't like speaking any means you're against free speech? Is that not also free speech?
Posted on 9/23/17 at 10:04 am to chRxis
quote:That isn't what is being referenced.
obviously "destroy" is hyperbole, but are you really sitting here saying that even with free speech, there is never any consequence to what you choose to say?
That person isn't saying your words can affect you.
They are saying that someone else's words can destroy you, which is absolutely asinine.
Posted on 9/23/17 at 10:27 am to Ebbandflow
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So protesting someone you don't like speaking any means you're against free speech? Is that not also free speech?
Peacefully protesting is fine. But we're not talking about that, are we?
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