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Barbara Sampson Medical Examiner for Eric Garner and Jeffrey Epstein
Posted on 8/22/19 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 8/22/19 at 10:08 pm
Barbara Sampson was the medical examiner for Eric Garner as well as Jeffrey Epstein. In the Garner case she determined that he died from being choked to death. In Epstein's case she determined that he died by suicide by hanging.
What am I getting at?
In Garner's case the hyoid bone WASN'T broken.
Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson:
"It is false that crushing of the windpipe and fracture of the hyoid bone would necessarily be seen at autopsy as the result of a chokehold,” she said in a statement. LINK
In Jeffrey Epstein's case this same medical examiner determined he died of suicide by hanging and he DID suffer a broken hyoid bone.
When the hyoid break was revealed, NYC Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson issued a statement saying, "In all forensic investigations, all information must be synthesized to determine the cause and manner of death. Everything must be consistent; no single finding can be evaluated in a vaccum." LINK
So riddle me this. If Barbara Sampson can find strangulation WITHOUT a broken hyoid bone in the Garner case, isn't is possible strangulation was the cause of death in the Epstein case?
What am I getting at?
In Garner's case the hyoid bone WASN'T broken.
Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson:
"It is false that crushing of the windpipe and fracture of the hyoid bone would necessarily be seen at autopsy as the result of a chokehold,” she said in a statement. LINK
In Jeffrey Epstein's case this same medical examiner determined he died of suicide by hanging and he DID suffer a broken hyoid bone.
When the hyoid break was revealed, NYC Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson issued a statement saying, "In all forensic investigations, all information must be synthesized to determine the cause and manner of death. Everything must be consistent; no single finding can be evaluated in a vaccum." LINK
So riddle me this. If Barbara Sampson can find strangulation WITHOUT a broken hyoid bone in the Garner case, isn't is possible strangulation was the cause of death in the Epstein case?
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Posted on 8/22/19 at 10:11 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
She just going with narratives, she probably just best-guessing her way through this like all of us watching...
Posted on 8/22/19 at 10:25 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Deep state fixer giving the answer she knows her bosses want
Posted on 8/22/19 at 10:37 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Just doing what the Men in Black told her to do.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:02 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
How was she the medical examiner for both of these high profile cases?
Is the medical examiner picked based on location? Or some other factor?
Is the medical examiner picked based on location? Or some other factor?
Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:47 am to WaWaWeeWa
Depends on the state, city, county, etc.. Typically, as is the case here, the city has an office of medical examiner, and being both were actually in NYC, it would be the same location
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 4:48 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:55 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Or some other factor?
When you need a "cleaner" you call the "cleaner".
Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:57 am to IT_Dawg
I want Quincy to take a look at it....
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:29 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
quote:Misnomer.
chokehold
This illustration demonstrates the takedown hold used in Garner's case.
The circle in the illustration at the crook of the assailant's arm highlights no compression of the trachea or hyoid. The method of rendering unconsciousness is vascular compression, not cutting off breathing.
That incidentally is the same method of death normally seen in an Epstein style "hanging" or in various accidental autoerotic deaths. The difference being with a noose there is no crook of the arm space sparing the hyoid.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:54 am to WaWaWeeWa
I would think it was based on location. But, when you research Sampson and this ME office, there is some shady stuff that has happened there.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:42 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
You think she wants to end up on her on table in the medical examiner's office.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:55 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
By issuing that cause of death, she increased her life expectancy exponentially!
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:58 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Check her balance sheet. Bet she retires rich.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 7:19 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
The hyoid bone is more likely to be broken from strangulation than hanging, but doesn’t by itself prove one or the other. You need to put together all of the evidence from the scene investigation and autopsy report to come to a conclusion.
Barbara Sampson performed both autopsies because she is the chief medical examiner in NYC, so she is going to be involved in the high profile cases since she is the most experienced in the office. She is well respected in the community, unlike someone such as Baden.
If you’re going to play the “isn’t it possible” game with manner and cause of death, then you’re going to end up with almost all “undetermined” cases because how can you be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every gsw to head or hanging was a suicide and not a homicide? This is an opinion based on knowledge and experience.
Barbara Sampson performed both autopsies because she is the chief medical examiner in NYC, so she is going to be involved in the high profile cases since she is the most experienced in the office. She is well respected in the community, unlike someone such as Baden.
If you’re going to play the “isn’t it possible” game with manner and cause of death, then you’re going to end up with almost all “undetermined” cases because how can you be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every gsw to head or hanging was a suicide and not a homicide? This is an opinion based on knowledge and experience.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 7:25 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
It was so predictable that the autopsy report wouldn't satisfy you people. Nothing she's said is inconsistent.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:02 am to Yellerhammer5
quote:
If you’re going to play the “isn’t it possible” game with manner and cause of death, then you’re going to end up with almost all “undetermined” cases because how can you be sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every gsw to head or hanging was a suicide and not a homicide?
No I totally get the argument. But, there is a burden of proof that has to be met beyond a reasonable doubt.
The point I am trying to make is that it is not outside the realm of possibility that a strangulation happened in Epstein's case.
I could accept undetermined much better that suicide when certain burdens of proof just haven't been met. I don't think you close it just for the sake of closing it. I'm also curious about toxicology.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:06 am to Jake88
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Nothing she's said is inconsistent.
Except the whole fact that she said the hyoid bone doesn't have to be broken for a manual strangulation to have occurred in the Garner case. The fact that Epstein's hyoid bone was indeed broken leans more towards a strangulation. Since that is the standard that the cop's attorney is making that the hyoid bone is a sign of strangulation.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:16 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
No it doesn't. Again, nothing she said is inconsistent. But, I'm certain ignorance of the topic will rule this thread and the ME will he declared another conspirator.
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Is the medical examiner picked based on location? Or some other factor?
It's based on location. She has had some controversy since she's been there. Had a co-worker sue because their DNA work wasn't up to par and she was told to shut up or leave by Sampson.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 8/23/19 at 6:13 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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But, there is a burden of proof that has to be met beyond a reasonable doubt.
Please show me where beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for ME’s determining cause and manner of death. I’ll wait.
If a body is found with a ligature around the neck, a deep furrow around the neck, and absolutely no defensive wounds/sign of a struggle, and had previously attempted suicide in the past few weeks, why are you going to hinge your entire determination on a bone that may or may not get broken during strangulation or hanging?
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