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re: Barbara Sampson Medical Examiner for Eric Garner and Jeffrey Epstein
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:51 pm to Yellerhammer5
Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:51 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:
Please show me where beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard for ME’s determining cause and manner of death. I’ll wait.
Here ya go! From the National Association of Medical Examiners. About 5 lines from the bottom covers suicide!
The degree of certainty required to classify the
manner of death depends sometimes on the circumstances of the death. Although such
issues will be discussed in further detail below, a general scheme of incremental
“degrees of certainty” is as follows:
• Undetermined (less than 50% certainty)
• Reasonable medical or investigative probability (Greater than a 50:50 chance; more
likely than not)
• Preponderance of medical/investigative evidence (For practical purposes, let’s say
about 70% or greater certainty)
• Clear and convincing medical/investigative evidence (For practical purposes, let’s say
90% or greater certainty)
• Beyond any reasonable doubt (essentially 100% certainty)
• Beyond any doubt (100% certainty)
Seldom, for the purpose of manner-of-death classification, is “beyond a reasonable
doubt” required as the burden of proof. In many cases, “reasonable probability” will
suffice, but in other instances such as suicide, case law or prudence may require a “preponderance” of evidence—or in homicide—“clear and convincing evidence” may be
required or recommended.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 7:35 am
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:04 pm to Yellerhammer5
quote:
If a body is found with a ligature around the neck, a deep furrow around the neck, and absolutely no defensive wounds/sign of a struggle, and had previously attempted suicide in the past few weeks, why are you going to hinge your entire determination on a bone that may or may not get broken during strangulation or hanging?
1. Because it is JE awaiting word on his release on bond.
2. Because JE didn't try to commit suicide earlier.
3. Because JE didn't try to commit suicide but was attacked and for some "strange reason" it is widely reported that he tried to commit suicide.
4. The cameras malfunctioned.
You figure it out. It isn't difficult.
Posted on 8/24/19 at 5:45 am to omegaman66
I also find it strange that he didn't think about writing a will before his "first suicide attempt". It's almost like someone attacked him, then he thought, uh-oh, I might be in danger here.
Another thing, a medical examiner often tries to recreate the scene and injuries, interviews witnesses, waits on toxicology reports. Has any of that been done? It seems like 20 people in that prison haven't been interviewed and aren't cooperating. And since Epstein had nothing to jump off of, how was he able to create the force needed to break those bones?
Was his paper thin sheet that strong?
Another thing, a medical examiner often tries to recreate the scene and injuries, interviews witnesses, waits on toxicology reports. Has any of that been done? It seems like 20 people in that prison haven't been interviewed and aren't cooperating. And since Epstein had nothing to jump off of, how was he able to create the force needed to break those bones?
Was his paper thin sheet that strong?
Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:39 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
So NAME supports exactly what I said. Beyond a reasonable doubt is not the standard for cause and manner of death.
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