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re: Bannon goes off on Speaker Johnson
Posted on 3/1/24 at 10:05 pm to Riverside
Posted on 3/1/24 at 10:05 pm to Riverside
quote:
don’t always agree with you, but you’re right here. Mike Johnson is a good man. He’s dealing with a razor thin majority and doing the best he can. MJ is a huge improvement over KMc
He has the power of the purse. Bar none. He controls it.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 10:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Yeah, I dont understand how some of these people think. Its not like theres a massive R majority and all are loyal to an ideal.
Its absolutely unrealistic and childish to expect Johnson to be able to hold the line. Its insanity,
HE HAS THE POWER OF THE PURSE. Maybe you don't understand. He controls what bills hit the floor. Do you understand parliamentary procedure?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 10:10 pm to loogaroo
But to utilize the “power of the purse” you still must have a requisite number of votes, which to put it mildly is a challenge even just amongst his own party. Hence the necessity of him to bridge the divide between the differing factions in the party in the role of chief negotiator.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 12:05 am to loogaroo
That was beautiful.
Maybe someone really, really smart can explain to me why the "border" is any more complicated than:
A) Close the border
B) Stop the invasion
C) Expel every single illegal alien. Those guilty of trafficking children - execute 'em. Those importing drugs TBD. Illegals who self-declare can be eligible for legal entry. Those who, never.
D) Eliminate anchor baby citizenship.
Maybe someone really, really smart can explain to me why the "border" is any more complicated than:
A) Close the border
B) Stop the invasion
C) Expel every single illegal alien. Those guilty of trafficking children - execute 'em. Those importing drugs TBD. Illegals who self-declare can be eligible for legal entry. Those who, never.
D) Eliminate anchor baby citizenship.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 1:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
They'll keep firing and hiring people without understanding how this all works.
I’m willing to learn. Tell me how government “worked” prior to MAGA, and what MAGA did to break what was working prior.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 1:40 am to loogaroo
Johnson doesn't have the votes in his own party to do what Bannon is calling for. It's about the math, unfortunately.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:13 am to Adam Banks
quote:
Everyone loved Mike including Trump. I’m just trying to get people on the record. Does MAGA still love Johnson?
One must possess convictions to understand.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 2:35 am to loogaroo
Just like this Thread, there will be no successful political dialogue or SYSTEMATIC solution to the problem when the SYSTEM IS the problem. It's like thinking that votes can solve a problem when votes ARE the 'problem'. The Founders knew that once people realized they could write themselves money out of the Treasury, the 'democratic majority' would. They poor folk of the whole World now come for that money, at the invitation of the Transnational Progressive, Egalitarian Left, as represented by the Dem Party/Deep State. There is no way to stop such via the System.
Believing that the slim majority of Republicans in the House can play the "power of the purse" card is like Lucy holding the ball so Charlie Brown can kick it. Biden/Dems/MSM hold the power to ALLOCATE remaining funds that cannot be controlled via the 'purse' (Congress) and will do so in ways that, given the corrupt MSM, will affect the *next* election negatively for 'selfish' Republicans that attempt such. It's the 'throw Granny off the cliff' scenario, and Mike Johnson hits the brick wall as any others will.
There are hundreds of billions going to the massive subsidies for the illegal immigrants that are flooding across the Border...did Congress, I.e. "the purse" KNOWLINGLY allocate this expenditure? Hell no, they did it via an "Omnibus Bill" where nobody knows and can claim plausible deniability for re-election.
I can remember years ago, that the Right (MAGA) determined/concluded on this Board that once Government (anti-Constitutional/"fundamental change", Deep State Bureaucracy version) becomes corrupted to the point that it serves the MAJORITY (pure Democracy rule as opposed to the Constitutional Republic), then the Constitutional Republic goes down and "mob rule" Democracy determines the Law and Culture which proceeds from such power. Hitler (Fascist) assumed power via Democracy. Nothing new under the sun.
Biden and the rogue Dems have opened the Border and are buying/creating the invasionary electoral power which will indeed nullify the Constitutional Republic (MAGA), and there is nothing short of a massive sweep by MAGA in November and a massive deportation of illegals who will vote for their massive $ subsidies, and an outright firing of the massive and anti-Constitutional ("inalienable Rights from God/MAGA") Deep State Bureaucracy that can stop dissolution of the Constitutional Republic.
When Roberts determined by SC fiat/vote that ObamaCare was *Constitutional* because of its service to the 'Majority' as opposed to its Constitutionality, I knew that the die was cast for "fundamental change" and that "mob rule" empowered Fascist/Elitists Rule was the future. And that the only hope for stopping said Fascist rule (Fascism defined as Government control of everything) was for the resistance to come from OUTSIDE of the corrupted electorally empowered System. And since "outside" essentially means "insurrection" against the (corrupt, per the MAGA viewpoint) Government, there would be no organized 'Resistance' in the electoral form of that which people like Bannon imagine. The Dems/Deep State will simply do what they are doing via the Bureaucratic and Electoral System. Organic dysfunction and collapse will be the only way that such a MAGA resistance can ever hope to stop the democratically empowered Fascist runaway train that now destroys the Constitutional Republic and implements "fundamental change". Bannon is very smart, and likely knows this, but he likes riding the wave of personal power. Albeit in private, he and MAGA might be willing to acknowledge the above 'theory', but that would mean giving up hope for a victory outside of VERY painful scenarios wherein the 'Government' shut down. And as Christians, they will never give up, as they know that the souls/minds of their children are on the Pagan/Demonic sacrificial altar.
Johnson is a leaf in the wind. We all are. Prophetic, Eschatological narratives WILL happen (IMO) and Humanity will learn that its best efforts will fall short given that we exist in a Spiritual Universe (God) and that minus the leadership of the Only Begotten Son of God, we will fail. Miserably so as an organized (Global, Transnational Progressive *Government*, DEI version} effort.
"Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto Man, but the end thereof is destruction". DEI is "fool's gold", or likely, much worse...as Lucifer is pissed at getting booted by God. Foolishness to the Secularist, Truth to the Children of God who embrace the Spiritual Universal Paradigm.
End of RCDfan "goes off" rant. Back to catching zzzz's. I hope.
Believing that the slim majority of Republicans in the House can play the "power of the purse" card is like Lucy holding the ball so Charlie Brown can kick it. Biden/Dems/MSM hold the power to ALLOCATE remaining funds that cannot be controlled via the 'purse' (Congress) and will do so in ways that, given the corrupt MSM, will affect the *next* election negatively for 'selfish' Republicans that attempt such. It's the 'throw Granny off the cliff' scenario, and Mike Johnson hits the brick wall as any others will.
There are hundreds of billions going to the massive subsidies for the illegal immigrants that are flooding across the Border...did Congress, I.e. "the purse" KNOWLINGLY allocate this expenditure? Hell no, they did it via an "Omnibus Bill" where nobody knows and can claim plausible deniability for re-election.
I can remember years ago, that the Right (MAGA) determined/concluded on this Board that once Government (anti-Constitutional/"fundamental change", Deep State Bureaucracy version) becomes corrupted to the point that it serves the MAJORITY (pure Democracy rule as opposed to the Constitutional Republic), then the Constitutional Republic goes down and "mob rule" Democracy determines the Law and Culture which proceeds from such power. Hitler (Fascist) assumed power via Democracy. Nothing new under the sun.
Biden and the rogue Dems have opened the Border and are buying/creating the invasionary electoral power which will indeed nullify the Constitutional Republic (MAGA), and there is nothing short of a massive sweep by MAGA in November and a massive deportation of illegals who will vote for their massive $ subsidies, and an outright firing of the massive and anti-Constitutional ("inalienable Rights from God/MAGA") Deep State Bureaucracy that can stop dissolution of the Constitutional Republic.
When Roberts determined by SC fiat/vote that ObamaCare was *Constitutional* because of its service to the 'Majority' as opposed to its Constitutionality, I knew that the die was cast for "fundamental change" and that "mob rule" empowered Fascist/Elitists Rule was the future. And that the only hope for stopping said Fascist rule (Fascism defined as Government control of everything) was for the resistance to come from OUTSIDE of the corrupted electorally empowered System. And since "outside" essentially means "insurrection" against the (corrupt, per the MAGA viewpoint) Government, there would be no organized 'Resistance' in the electoral form of that which people like Bannon imagine. The Dems/Deep State will simply do what they are doing via the Bureaucratic and Electoral System. Organic dysfunction and collapse will be the only way that such a MAGA resistance can ever hope to stop the democratically empowered Fascist runaway train that now destroys the Constitutional Republic and implements "fundamental change". Bannon is very smart, and likely knows this, but he likes riding the wave of personal power. Albeit in private, he and MAGA might be willing to acknowledge the above 'theory', but that would mean giving up hope for a victory outside of VERY painful scenarios wherein the 'Government' shut down. And as Christians, they will never give up, as they know that the souls/minds of their children are on the Pagan/Demonic sacrificial altar.
Johnson is a leaf in the wind. We all are. Prophetic, Eschatological narratives WILL happen (IMO) and Humanity will learn that its best efforts will fall short given that we exist in a Spiritual Universe (God) and that minus the leadership of the Only Begotten Son of God, we will fail. Miserably so as an organized (Global, Transnational Progressive *Government*, DEI version} effort.
"Behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto Man, but the end thereof is destruction". DEI is "fool's gold", or likely, much worse...as Lucifer is pissed at getting booted by God. Foolishness to the Secularist, Truth to the Children of God who embrace the Spiritual Universal Paradigm.
End of RCDfan "goes off" rant. Back to catching zzzz's. I hope.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:51 am to loogaroo
People can criticize all they want but there is nothing better for Louisiana than to have our congressman be the speaker.
We need go be supportive af
We need go be supportive af
Posted on 3/2/24 at 4:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Well, y'all grab torches and pitchfforks, run Johnson's body up the flagpole as another example and start all over.
Why is this a bad thing? If he fails to deliver, then starting over is the right thing to do.
quote:
You'll be back to this point in months.
Ok, and if no pressure is applied to Johnson, then what? We aren't back to this but instead have nothing for the border and everything for Ukraine? If he caves, that's what we get.
quote:
You will get your border secure when you make the right deals with the right people. Thats how it works. Thats not how I want it to work but that is reality in DC.
There is never going to be a "deal". A uni-party doesn't make deals with itself. They are never going to secure the border unless and until it is forced to happen, like voting them out so the decision is not up to them any longer. You don't make deals with people that do nothing but stab you in the back.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 5:25 am to POTUS2024
You’ll be starting over ad infinitum at regular intervals, rather short ones, unless and until we get honest with reality and get a grip on the ancient art of setting reasonable, realistic, rational, logical, and responsible expectations. I feel pretty confident that no Speaker ever, nor any elected representative period, for that matter, will be able to satisfy anywhere near all of your demands. Because along with your set of demands are quite a few million others. Not exactly easy to cross off the list everyones’ demands.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 5:40 am to KiwiHead
Pop quiz hotshot. Is your statement “hysterics” or is it “melodrama?” Or perhaps both??
Posted on 3/2/24 at 5:54 am to davyjones
Pretty much truth. No one is as pure on the issues as Trump.....maybe Gaetz as he prowls the beaches of Ft Walton and Destin in the upcoming Spring Break season hitting up the High School seniors
Posted on 3/2/24 at 6:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
MAGA overestimates their importance and has no clue how government works. They believe because they are the flavor of the day, they get everthing they want. Politics dont work that way. They'll keep firing and hiring people without understanding how this all works.
So are you happy or mad about Mike’s new CR?
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 7:35 am
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:33 am to loogaroo
Bannon is expressing frustration with Johnson for continuing to do what weak arse Republican leadership does - kick the can, stall and a failure to take a firm stand on any issue.
- Don’t say you are going to get immigration under control and not do it.
- Don’t say you are going to take steps toward fiscal control measures and not do it.
It’s these kinds of things that are encountered continuously with Republican congressional leadership. Johnson is not in a great position, but you gotta start somewhere with real, objective action and quit the subjective lip service.
- Don’t say you are going to get immigration under control and not do it.
- Don’t say you are going to take steps toward fiscal control measures and not do it.
It’s these kinds of things that are encountered continuously with Republican congressional leadership. Johnson is not in a great position, but you gotta start somewhere with real, objective action and quit the subjective lip service.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:48 am to loogaroo
quote:Yes you can. Unless you are completely out of touch w/ what is going on in DC, you know that Mike Johnson and House Repub's are the only group pushing border security. MJ is taking massive heat for his intransigence. Bannon needs to STFU.
I can't argue against it.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:54 am to loogaroo
George Floyd's death was a lie, and then politicized to burn cities and destroy businesses. The MSM went along with it because it served their agenda.
Bannon's right and it's getting more and more evident for all to see every day.
Bannon's right and it's getting more and more evident for all to see every day.
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 3/2/24 at 7:57 am to weptiger
quote:
It’s these kinds of things that are encountered continuously with Republican congressional leadership. Johnson is not in a great position, but you gotta start somewhere with real, objective action and quit the subjective lip service.
A Shutdown is all he's got, wep...and that likely means losing the House in the Fall. I suspect MJ is holding out hope, AGAIN, of a Republican wave via Trump's coattails in November. Minus that you can stick a fork in the Constitutional Republic.
Bannon can whip up the MAGA crowd but he can't change the electoral, corrupt Deep State dynamics. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted on 3/2/24 at 8:01 am to loogaroo
quote:
What has he done to make your life worse?
Trillions in spending, for a start.
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