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re: Banning vaccine passports - how is this a conservative / small government stance?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:41 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:41 pm to chalmetteowl
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because freedom is for people and not businesses
Citizens United said businesses are people too...
And holy crap if conservatives are going to say businesses can't have freedom to associate and serve...
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Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
Allowing businesses to deny service to potential customers without a GOVERNMENT ISSUED VACCINE PASSPORT (that is not mandatory) is the exact definition of government over reach. The only businesses that would support it would be owned by wokist government activists.
This post was edited on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
Because it verges on a civil liberty issue which is where the government has a responsibility to uphold those liberties.
Don't be a dumbass. Small government doesn't mean sit there with a thumb in your arse.
Don't be a dumbass. Small government doesn't mean sit there with a thumb in your arse.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:42 pm to Powerman
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This wouldn't apply to many businesses but from a consistency standpoint you either support the rights of private businesses are you don't.
Pretending air travel is just like any other private business is quite the dumbing down of a topic, without regard to how it operates and is regulated.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:where would said passports be generated?
Banning vaccine passports
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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mean, are we just going to overlook the fact that the only reason it is a thing is because of the federal push for it? It is basically government having to fix their own created issue.
Yep it was never thing, there’s a lot of viruses, grab one and name it, boom Carl 19… it’s bad stay home.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm to Powerman
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He has a point. If you're of the opinion that private business should be able to set their own rules then you shouldn't be against them if they want proof of vaccination.
The point of having freedoms are to apply an equal standard, whether you like it or not.
What progressives like to do is piss all over that freedom when they don't like it, then want it upheld when they do like it.
Conservatives are expected to just take the L when progressives don't like the policy, then they're expected to all of a sudden value that freedom when progressives like the policy even if they don't.
At some point people are going to say frick it lets burn everything down. And it's hard to blame them. Conservatives should play the same games and use the same tactics that progressives use until they stop using them.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
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People who don't want to follow a business policy are more than able to find another business to patronize.
Forgive me, but since when can businesses refuse service based on religion?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm to Powerman
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He has a point. If you're of the opinion that private business should be able to set their own rules then you shouldn't be against them if they want proof of vaccination.
difference in requiring something they can see like clothing (shoes, shirt, mask) vs something they cannot know without "showing papers"
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:43 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Many would argue that a vaccine passport puts a corporation's freedom ahead of individual freedom. That's not very liberal.
Freedom involves the relationship between government and individual, not the relationship between business and individual.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:44 pm to CuyahogaTigerJr
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Yep it was never thing, there’s a lot of viruses, grab one and name it, boom Carl 19… it’s bad stay home.
I'm sorry, but what?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:44 pm to tigeraddict
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what if a business wants to ban those with AIDS, Hepatitis, TB, those without flu vaccine, should they have full access to all your medical files to let you in?
If you want to do business with a business, you can decide to show them what they are asking for, or you can find another business who won't ask you.
No one is requiring you to use that business.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:45 pm to VADawg
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"Private companies" are colluding with each other and leftist politicians to force these on the public. That's why DeSantis is slapping it down.
Collusion can lead to opportunity for a business to work outside of it.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:45 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Freedom involves the relationship between government and individual, not the relationship between business and individual.
Then there's no freedom, bake the cake bigot and you also have to service unvaccinated people.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:46 pm to Powerman
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He has a point.
No.
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Powerman
Oh, that explains it.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:46 pm to ds_engineer
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Allowing businesses to deny service to potential customers without a GOVERNMENT ISSUED VACCINE PASSPORT (that is not mandatory) is the exact definition of government over reach.
That's 180 degrees wrong.
A government isn't "allowing" anything. The government should stay the hell out of it.
Allowing brings up the idea of permission.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:48 pm to Azkiger
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At some point people are going to say frick it lets burn everything down. And it's hard to blame them. Conservatives should play the same games and use the same tactics that progressives use until they stop using them.
yeah, I can't support acting stupid just because the other side acts stupid. Have some goddamn backbone.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Businesses should be allowed to bake a cake for anyone they want, or be allowed to not bake a cake for anyone they don't want.
There's nothing to really think about.
I'm failing to see what that has to do with a vaccine passport. You pretty much have this backwards. Why would it be "big government" to make sure people aren't required to carry papers for somethings o ridiculous as a vaccine for COVID?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Banning vaccine passports - how is this a conservative / small government stance?
Airlines is more along the lines of a utility. Sure it's private, but they hold monopolies on the industry. You want to allow discrimination and treat it like a free market decision? Fine, but you have to break up all of the airlines into such small quantities so as to allow for competition from smaller airlines. The airline industry, however, is not structured this way. It is not regulated this way.
If you are ok with this, then you should also be ok with internet providers denying service if you are under 5'-6" tall, or energy companies refusing access if you aren't married. After all, let the free market dictate who succeeds right?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Forgive me, but since when can businesses refuse service based on religion?
Well... Hobby Lobby can use religion to deny certain benefits.
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