re: Axios: SA meets with Trump, Vance. Pushes for Iran de-escalation

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I'm referencing the blockade on SA oil that's currently partially in place (They are giving Chinese vessels waivers)

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True. And that would be the Iranians, not Americans, who are making special arrangements for Chinese vessels, via the sea lanes they most strongly control. I didn’t want anyone to be “confused” by your post.

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Unless you just generally hate Muslims without decent reason

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Idk, feel like that piece of shite “religion” has given us thousands of reasons to hate them since the child rapist Mohammed, may torment be upon him, walked this earth.

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In no world is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia moderate.

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He’s referring to Prince MBS and the House of Saud. They’re basically capitalists in Muslim clothing and aren’t at all representative of the average Saudi citizen.

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Buddy, the Saudi royal family is inextricably tied to the history of the Wahhabi movement. They aren't moderate in any sense.

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Yeah they were tied to the Wahabbi movement but that was decades ago with the early rulers. They don’t fund worldwide mosques anymore and a lot of the Wahabbist elements have been phased out by MBS

That doesn’t mean they didn’t play a massive role in spreading Islam to the rest of the Middle East and South Asia because they absolutely did. They left a huge mess and no one has even bothered to cleaned it up.

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Yeah they were tied to the Wahabbi movement but that was decades ago with the early rulers.

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It was not decades ago. They are still directly tied to those groups.

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That doesn’t mean they didn’t play a massive role in spreading Islam to the rest of the Middle East and South Asia because they absolutely did.

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Islam was already in those regions, but it was a different school that was predominant.

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If the moderate Islamic nations would keep Iran in check the US wouldn't need to be over there.

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Oddly enough, Iraq and Iran used to keep each other in check. We picked a side, then later, basically neutered them. Spreading democracy has proven to be a bad idea.

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Vance was on Rogan a couple weeks ago and laid out pretty well what is happening. It's a lot to get into, but i'd suggest you go listen to it.

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I have obviously listened to it. Important to know this interview happened at the time Vance was doing his MoU media tour.

Two examples in Yemen are the Giants Brigades and the Rashad Union, both of whom were founded in the 2010s. The Salafi component of the Giants Brigades received training in both the UAE and the KSA and the appointment of the leader of a new formation, called the Saba Giants, was described as 'Saudi-led.'

The best case scenario for the KSA long-term is something like Pakistan, which has what is known as the S Wing of the ISI which deals directly with extremist groups, usually outside the purview of the civilian Pakistani government. Because of the structure of Saudi society, the use of Islam as an organizing ideology means that extremism can develop as a natural attribute of that society, despite recent attempts to move away from it. The S-Wing of the ISI tries to outsource the extremist elements in the country to Afghanistan in particular, but that also is complicated by the fact that most of the military mosques in the country are Deobandi, which is another extremist school. Young Saudi men are among the most likely to fight in foreign conflicts with jihadist elements, and controlling that element has required and will likely continue to require controlling them through exporting that element to active conflict zones.