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re: Austrailia's "Gold Standard" of gun control laws is a failure. Go Figure!
Posted on 12/14/25 at 4:43 pm to deltaland
Posted on 12/14/25 at 4:43 pm to deltaland
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Demographics are why, not the gun laws
Gun deaths dropped by 60 or 70% when the banned them in austrailia.
Like I said, I'm not for banning guns, but if are just talking purely in terms of what would get fewer Americans dead every year, banning guns wins.
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 4:49 pm to Crappieman
The two rifles the Shooters had were registered firearms. Reported to have had 7 registered in the fathers name. Guns aren't completely banned in NSW
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 12/14/25 at 5:03 pm to RedStickFox
You cannot compare Australia and the US with this. For starters there's no country like Mexico bordering Australia. Secondly, you ban guns the feds aren't going into the hoods to take all those guns from those who haven't legally acquired them. Gangs and the cartels would feast.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:02 pm to BlueJays509
You realize that something like 90% of guns in Mexico are traced back to shops in the US right?
I dont know why it's so hard to accept this.
I dont know why it's so hard to accept this.
Posted on 12/14/25 at 10:39 pm to Crappieman
quote:Look, I think it's stupid that they don't have a 2nd Amendment, but using this shooting as some kind of "gotcha" is dumb.
Austrailia's "Gold Standard" of gun control laws is a failure. Go Figure!
The facts:
The Port Arthur massacre in 1996 is what led to the change in gun laws.
Since then, this is the worst mass shooting (almost 30 years later). There really have been close to zero in the interim.
And this is the evidence for their laws "failing"? That's just illogical and dumb.
Name ANY criminal law for which offenses number zero (as, by your logic, 1 or more offenses EVER means those laws were a failure).
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:58 am to RedStickFox
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all Americans would be safer if we banned guns.
Statistically speaking, if you group and account for whites, Hispanics and Asians together, the U.S. has one of the lowest gun crime rates in the world.
So banning guns would likely not make any of that group much safer.
Now, if our friends in the inner city had less access to firearms, it may help there. But let’s face it, they don’t care about laws now, won’t in the future and have a real penchant for shooting each other.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:11 am to RedStickFox
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Gun deaths dropped by 60 or 70% when the banned them in austrailia.
Why didn't they drop 100%?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:25 am to Crappieman
The Australians hate their citizens. That much is clear.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:26 am to homesicktiger
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Why didn't they drop 100%?
If your balls haven't dropped 100% you should probably talk to your doctor, not a stranger on a forum.
But seriously, at no point in time have I ever said that they would drop 100%. Just that statistically, every time a country has banned guns there has been a drop in gun crimes and gun deaths. I'm not even saying we should ban guns. But I refuse to just lie and act like the more guns we have the safer everyone is. It's possible that more guns in the hands of very responsible gun owners hands makes us statistically safer, but definitely not in general.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:29 am to RedStickFox
quote:How about murder rates changed?
there has been a drop in gun crimes and gun deaths
Posted on 12/15/25 at 8:31 am to RedStickFox
Why don’t we just start executing killers. Stop this nonsense of jailing them a few years then releasing them. Zero recidivism among the executed. Plus the killers love to kill but hate the thought they may be executed. It is called a deterrent.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:04 am to Stealth Matrix
quote:they should have the same reaction but ban all Muslims. Every Western culture country should have the same reaction
Wasn’t it twenty or so years ago and they had a horrific mass shooting and in response they banned all guns?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:24 am to RedStickFox
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just a simple fact that all Americans would be safer if we banned guns.
You brain is simple, that's the only fact here.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:40 am to RedStickFox
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You can argue that you don't want to give up our rights but it's just a simple fact that all Americans would be safer if we banned guns.
Know how I know you haven’t studied history?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 9:43 am to Crappieman
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Funny thing is criminals NEVER obey any laws to begin with
Now that's not true. Look at Prohibition. Every American quit drinking and never touched another drop until it was repealed.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:46 am to Crappieman
Not being political just putting the real data out.
Since Port Arthur, until yesterday, there were 0 mass shootings in Australia. Gun related deaths had also continually gone down falling from 2.9 per 100,000 people in 1996 to approximately 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016 and 0.88 per 100,000 in 2018. ( Just an FYI Louisiana in 2023 had over 28 per 100,000)
Compare that to the US where just since 2015 to 2022 there was an average of 463 mass shootings per year (mass shooting defined as 4 or more deaths).
I don't think anyone is saying gun laws of any degree will create 0 gun related deaths but when you use Australia and the US as two case studies there are obvious conclusions to be drawn.
Since Port Arthur, until yesterday, there were 0 mass shootings in Australia. Gun related deaths had also continually gone down falling from 2.9 per 100,000 people in 1996 to approximately 0.9 per 100,000 in 2016 and 0.88 per 100,000 in 2018. ( Just an FYI Louisiana in 2023 had over 28 per 100,000)
Compare that to the US where just since 2015 to 2022 there was an average of 463 mass shootings per year (mass shooting defined as 4 or more deaths).
I don't think anyone is saying gun laws of any degree will create 0 gun related deaths but when you use Australia and the US as two case studies there are obvious conclusions to be drawn.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 10:49 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:02 am to RedStickFox
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You can argue that you don't want to give up our rights but it's just a simple fact that all Americans would be safer if we banned guns.
Jamaica had a homicide rate of 25/100,000 thirty years ago and they banned all civilian firearms and backed it up with special police, courts and jails. Gun deaths did decrease, but their overall homicide rate is now more than double with gangs of young thugs and machetes being the primary problem.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:04 am to RedStickFox
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it's just a simple fact that all Americans would be safer if we banned guns.
There are hundreds of millions of firearms in the US. It is completely unique in that regard. There is no such thing as "banning guns" in the United States.
You could totally outlaw new firearm sales across the board and it would be generations before the amount of guns reached a level like that in Australia or the European nations.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:05 am to ElShugh84
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I don't think anyone is saying gun laws of any degree will create 0 gun related deaths but when you use Australia and the US as two case studies there are obvious conclusions to be drawn.
The issues is that the sheer number of guns here and rate of ownership are enormous. There were only 20 million people in Australia when they did their big buy-backs in the 90's and took a few hundred thousand guns from their citizens.
Something like that pretty much cannot be done here.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 12/15/25 at 11:30 am to Indefatigable
If only that guy taking the video had had a rifle instead of a cell phone...
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