re: As an airline pilot, my opinion on the airline crash.

I don't think the issue was with the plane. Hard to think the helicopter did not see the plane on his port side.

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BUT, that helicopter should have never been put into that position by ATC.

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Yeah. That’s effectively saying “you’re on a collision course. It’s up to you to avoid it.”

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Really?

He should become physically angry?

WTF is wrong with you?

This is hardly a thread where you should be inclined to virtue signal.

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I have no idea why you’re reacting this way. People should be angry when a preventable mass casualty event occurs. So what?

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I also don't understand why the ATC didn’t state clearly where the CRJ was he was referencing. Something like CRJ at 300 ft coming in from southwest.

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Usually they are very good about that.

I am wondering what NOD set up the BH crew was flying with and how much of a factor that played into things.

From experience I can tell you the worst use case for them in in a fairly heavily light saturated area like an airport.


If they were running single tubes it could be they were locked onto the wrong traffic. Add to that ATC task switching to another aircraft on approach I can see where the BH said yep we got traffic (wrong traffic) and AT. Switched to speaking to the next item on their list - be that someone who just switched on frequency, the next plane to clear, whatever it may be.


It is likely 100% preventable and a shitty deal all around but the one dude in command who said “we need to look at how challenging of an environment we train in” has it 100% wrong.


Train like you fight or you’ll fight like you train.

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I also don't understand why the ATC didn’t state clearly where the CRJ was he was referencing. Something like CRJ at 300 ft coming in from southwest.

Usually they are very good about that.

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Yes, they usually are, as I stated in a previous post.

They’re usually very good at giving you position of traffic relative to you (usually expressed as a clock bearing) direction of flight, distance, altitude and intentions of opposing traffic.

NOT saying this happened as they have said that they found service members bodies.

Just interesting...

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I’m not jumping to conclusions here, but to me, this accident is almost entirely on a failure by ATC.

In no scenario should an aircraft on short final have a midair collision with another aircraft.

Does the plane have the ability to avoid the helicopter if the pilot sees it at that point, or is there nothing the plane could have done? Not saying the plane was in the wrong, but just curious if the plane could see the helicopters mistake and take any sort of action at that point?

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Does the plane have the ability to avoid the helicopter if the pilot sees it at that point, or is there nothing the plane could have done? Not saying the plane was in the wrong, but just curious if the plane could see the helicopters mistake and take any sort of action at that point?

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Of course you can maneuver anytime to avoid a collision, but obviously here they never visually saw the helicopter. You have the opportunity and obligation to abort a landing at any time, even up to a point after touchdown if something endangers the safety of the landing, i.e. a vehicle or aircraft pulling onto the runway ahead of you without proper distance to stop before a collision or a “bounced landing.” We practice rejected landings often.

All airline aircraft have what’s called a TCAS system (Traffic alert and collision avoidance system). It basically works like a traffic radar that’s displayed on the pilot’s flight instruments. It displays all aircraft traffic around you and their altitude in relation to yours (like -500 or + 2000) and gives you directions to either climb or descend if it anticipates your flight path will collide.

BUT, below 1,000 above ground level, the system is “degraded” because it assumes you’re in the airport environment and does not give normal directions.

Read this to explain. Yahoo News