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Posted on 10/18/19 at 9:41 am to tuptiger
for. imo needs to be faster without so many appeals. this would work as a deterrent and help with the over crowded prison system. In a perfect world no one innocent would be put to death but I believe many more innocent lives but be saved. You can argue individual cases all day but once agian imo society as a whole would be better with a stricter penalty.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 9:45 am to tuptiger
I’m against it but it’s not a hill I’m going to die on like abortion.
I think our judicial system leaves way too many questions to execute outside of blatant admissions of guilt with eyewitness accounts in court
If we’re making an argument about life being important, I choose the life of a baby over a convicted murderer, but I’m still not advocating for capital punishment.
I think our judicial system leaves way too many questions to execute outside of blatant admissions of guilt with eyewitness accounts in court
If we’re making an argument about life being important, I choose the life of a baby over a convicted murderer, but I’m still not advocating for capital punishment.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:18 am to NYNolaguy1
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Besides, are you really sure that the government that has trouble with balancing a check book or taking out your trash can perfectly determine guilt, every time in a death penalty case?
Maybe you don't know, but we (the USA) has trial by jury. The government doesn't determine guilt, a jury of your peers (US citizens) does.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:21 am to Aubie Spr96
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I’m not sure how anyone that follows our criminal justice system would be ok with allowing the same system to decide life and death.
And I'm not sure how anyone could be against putting someone to death whose killed 20-something people or tortured, raped and killed a child. But that's just me.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:24 am to Tridentds
Some of y'all are hypocritical dumb fricks!!!
Many of you sit here and claim that the government is corrupt and that they are after your president etc etc yet in the same breath think it's ok for the EXACT SAME government to have the ability to sentence someone legally to death.
How in the hell can you support the death penalty with the way our government has been proven to be as corrupt as they are.
"Better 100 guilty man go free, than 1 innocent man be found guilty"
For those supporting this, have you ever served on a jury? Do you understand how stupid the average American is and how naive their world view is? How influenced they are by the media?
Have you been paying attention to the number of people being let out for new evidence?
Have you not paid attention to the corruption just in our state within the state police and local law enforcement?
Do you really want someone like Calcasieu Parish DA prosecuting someone? Might want to read this plenty of other cases of DA corruption, that one was just recent. Notice he doesn't think he did anything wrong and has the power to enforce punishment as he sees fit.
Think the government only goes after criminals, think again. They have gone after political opponents plenty of times. Think a conservative will always be on there??? Think again.
The state will always do things to prop up the state. Soldiers will follow orders(see Kent State), the police will abuse things as the enforcement arm of a corrupt government.
And stop with the religious angle. People shouldn't be put to death based off a book from 2000 years ago. I say that as a practicing Catholic. Sorry but if anything it should be the opposite if truely a Christian.
I get people's support on principle. I am right there with you but I urge you to think critically about this subject based on government corruption at every level.
If you are a fiscal conservative, understand that it is cheaper to house for life than sentence to death.
Many of you sit here and claim that the government is corrupt and that they are after your president etc etc yet in the same breath think it's ok for the EXACT SAME government to have the ability to sentence someone legally to death.
How in the hell can you support the death penalty with the way our government has been proven to be as corrupt as they are.
"Better 100 guilty man go free, than 1 innocent man be found guilty"
For those supporting this, have you ever served on a jury? Do you understand how stupid the average American is and how naive their world view is? How influenced they are by the media?
Have you been paying attention to the number of people being let out for new evidence?
Have you not paid attention to the corruption just in our state within the state police and local law enforcement?
Do you really want someone like Calcasieu Parish DA prosecuting someone? Might want to read this plenty of other cases of DA corruption, that one was just recent. Notice he doesn't think he did anything wrong and has the power to enforce punishment as he sees fit.
Think the government only goes after criminals, think again. They have gone after political opponents plenty of times. Think a conservative will always be on there??? Think again.
The state will always do things to prop up the state. Soldiers will follow orders(see Kent State), the police will abuse things as the enforcement arm of a corrupt government.
And stop with the religious angle. People shouldn't be put to death based off a book from 2000 years ago. I say that as a practicing Catholic. Sorry but if anything it should be the opposite if truely a Christian.
I get people's support on principle. I am right there with you but I urge you to think critically about this subject based on government corruption at every level.
If you are a fiscal conservative, understand that it is cheaper to house for life than sentence to death.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:24 am to tuptiger
For.
But deterrence requires 'certainty'. That means quick execution after conviction, not 30 years after you committed the murder.
If deterrence does not occur I'm still for it. It's called 'societal retribution.' It makes me feel good.
But deterrence requires 'certainty'. That means quick execution after conviction, not 30 years after you committed the murder.
If deterrence does not occur I'm still for it. It's called 'societal retribution.' It makes me feel good.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:24 am to SSpaniel
i honestly go back and forth on this subject.
boston bomber? nuke him in a walk in microwave
mass shooters? hang em
everyone else? i just dont know.
boston bomber? nuke him in a walk in microwave
mass shooters? hang em
everyone else? i just dont know.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:25 am to SSpaniel
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And I'm not sure how anyone could be against putting someone to death whose killed 20-something people or tortured, raped and killed a child. But that's just me.
Most of us against it, aren't. We don't trust that the investigation was done and the trial done without corruption.
Also it's cheaper not to sentence them to death so we oppose for fiscal reasons.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:30 am to lsu777
quote:Usually very old convictions. The new technology is actually making convictions more reliable today, assuming the technology can play a part in the trial.
Have you been paying attention to the number of people being let out for new evidence?
Posted on 10/18/19 at 10:52 am to jptiger2009
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the only referece to the subject that I have is: 'though shall not kill'.
This one isn't as straight forward as it might seem. There's significant grey area (see Wikipedia page on thou shalt not kill) on the actual translation of the original Hebrew text. Turns out it may be the translation is closer to "thou shalt not murder"
The difference is significant in that it allows for legal war and potentially legal retribution. I'm not an expert on this but thought you might want to look into it.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:03 am to TigerWoodlands
quote:This is true. God has the ultimate power over life and death and he delegates that authority to the civil magistrate for the sake of protecting its people through the administration of justice and declaration of war, with the lone exception of self-defense, which allows for the civilian or individual to take the life of an attacker in order to preserve life for themselves or others.
This one isn't as straight forward as it might seem. There's significant grey area (see Wikipedia page on thou shalt not kill) on the actual translation of the original Hebrew text. Turns out it may be the translation is closer to "thou shalt not murder"
The difference is significant in that it allows for legal war and potentially legal retribution. I'm not an expert on this but thought you might want to look into it.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:27 am to NYNolaguy1
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Better a guilty man walk then an innocent swing.
Sounds good...unless, of course, I'm the next guy the guilty man walking kills.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:31 am to jptiger2009
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Ftr, Jesus is great. Jesus's teachings were great, and the only referece to the subject that I have is: 'though shall not kill'.
You've got anything referencing him being for the death penalty?
Absolutely.
Romans 13:3-5
"3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
This is clearly talking about capital punishment. You don't use a sword to give a parking ticket.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:33 am to lsu777
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If you are a fiscal conservative, understand that it is cheaper to house for life than sentence to death.
Only because of the years on death row and endless appeals. Carry out the sentence in 30 days and your stat is no longer true.
This post was edited on 10/18/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:34 am to BamaGradinTn
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This is clearly talking about capital punishment. You don't use a sword to give a parking ticket.
And, specifically talking about God's murica too. :eyesroll:
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:34 am to lsu777
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Also it's cheaper not to sentence them to death so we oppose for fiscal reasons.
That part can be solved. How much does a bullet cost?
You get 30 days to do your appealing. Then you get a bullet to your brainstem. End of story.
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:35 am to tuptiger
I’m against it in its current form
Absolute bs how long it takes to kill someone
Absolute bs how long it takes to kill someone
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:35 am to jptiger2009
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And, specifically talking about God's murica too. :eyesroll:
Posted on 10/18/19 at 11:39 am to tuptiger
Well one thing is for sure, no one executed for their crimes has ever committed another one so you sure can't debate it's effectiveness.
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