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re: Are we still pretending Trump has done a good job handling the virus?
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:04 pm to NIH
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:04 pm to NIH
I think he did a poor job in February after imposing the China ban. But I'm generally ok with his recent efforts.
Acknowledging that he says a lot of stupid stuff when doing his battle with the media. I get it but I really hate the whole dynamic we see right now.
Acknowledging that he says a lot of stupid stuff when doing his battle with the media. I get it but I really hate the whole dynamic we see right now.
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 11:15 pm to NIH
Remember when Biden was going to do a shadow press conference to show us how a real POTUS would handle things, but it turned out that he can’t even read a statement without forgetting what he wanted to say? Tell me more about how he would have handled this
Posted on 4/25/20 at 2:07 am to NIH
I think he is doing a phenomenal job
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:30 am to David_DJS
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I'll take a stab.
1. Realize that Dems are Dems, the press is the press, and no matter what I do or don't do, they're going to pillory and lampoon me because they hate me in a comically irrational way. So the last consideration in all of this is what a Dem politician or the press thinks/says.
2. Trump sounded right in some ways. He described himself as a cheerleader (or he was cheering, something like that) - he got ridiculed for that, but it was actually a good instinct. I would spend some time in front of a microphone telling Americans we are going to fine, that our doctors and nurses are the best in the world and they're going to treat our sick as well as possible, and there's no need to panic.
3. I'd marshal whatever resources that are helpful to isolate the elderly that are compromised and others truly at-risk.
4. Same for treating those who become gravely ill with the virus. Work to get necessary resources where they're needed.
5. I would be adult about the virus. It's not going to kill everybody. It's not going to kill 2 million Americans. It's a serious challenge. Some people will become gravely ill. Some people will die. That's how illnesses, from the flu to colds to COVID, work. It's life.
Beyond this, I'm Sweden before Sweden is Sweden. Be smart/careful when out and about? - yes. Practice good hygiene? - of course. Suspend large crowd activities (or support that)? - yes, at least in the beginning. Close schools (or support that)? - no. Close businesses (or support that)? - no.
I cannot disagree with a word of that - Those parallel my instincts from the git-go.
BUT - we did have some pretty disaster predictions from the infectious diseases experts at the beginning of this - That would be very hard to ignore based on 'instincts' alone = going against the advice of all the "science.'
I would have hated to be the one making the decision in that situation. In fact I became very afraid of the pandemic at about the time of the first '15 day to slow the spread" dictum - The unfolding disaster in Italy scared the hell out of me - this thing sounded like an alien unstoppable force.
While I wish we had tried to get thru this using your guidelines - I still cannot fault the person surrounded by all the 'experts' who were predicting acopolypse. What 'science' other than instinct would he rely on?
What I am really objecting to is this overwhelming desire pushed by the DEMs and their Media sycophants to purposely look for anything to criticize; It would be like hounding FDR in the midst of the Normanday invasion = "why did you send those boys up Point du Hoc?? There were no guns there!!" And then dragging the mothers of all the boys slain in that attack to weep and talk about their son and blame FDR for not planning better ==> coupled with similar daily/hourly attacks around every other bit of 'bad news' from the front lines.
This is truly a global war with unreliable allies and active sedition afoot in the land.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:37 am to Bunyan
quote:Accusing NIH of parroting anti-Trump “talking points”quote:But you just said he downplayed it completely
Can anyone identify anything he’s done well related to this virus other than shutting down travel from China?
Get your talking points straight
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:37 am to ChineseBandit58
We would have lost WWII with this media, simple as that
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:37 am to LuckyTiger
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I would have loaded up on tests in Jan & Feb
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I’m sorry but this is just total bull shite.
First, you can’t make a test until you sequence the virus. And China did not release the sequence until MID JANUARY.
And, because you can’t trust the info from China, you still need to check it. France and the US sequenced the virus at the END OF JANUARY. So I don’t know what you think you would have been “loading up” on.
Next, you have to make a test and that is difficult and takes time. Trump is not a scientist with a lab. All he can do is have the CDC make a test. Which they did in FEBRUARY. So again, I don’t know what you think you would have been loading up on.
Next, the CDC frickED UP THE TEST. And they couldn’t get it right. It wasn’t until TRUMP BROUGHT IN PRIVATE OUTSIDE COMPANIES AGAINST CDC AND GOVERNMENT ADVICE that a quality test was developed AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
All this info can be found in the WSJ and WaPo.
So again, the idea that you would have been loading up on tests in January and February is nothing but complete bull shite.
You are just a person that wants to complain on false made up assertions.
Yeah - these kinds of attacks are coming from nothing but idiotic hatred of anything done - all in retrospect.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 3:49 am to AggieHank86
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Accusing NIH of parroting anti-Trump “talking points”
hilarious, except they actually are the same talking points that kneejerk anti-Trumpers use
If I said them they would still be the same talking points that anti-Trumpers use.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:15 am to ChineseBandit58
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BUT - we did have some pretty disaster predictions from the infectious diseases experts at the beginning of this - That would be very hard to ignore based on 'instincts' alone = going against the advice of all the "science.' I would have hated to be the one making the decision in that situation. In fact I became very afraid of the pandemic at about the time of the first '15 day to slow the spread" dictum - The unfolding disaster in Italy scared the hell out of me - this thing sounded like an alien unstoppable force.
There was no consensus on the science, ever. The way the media (and others) ginned up the hysteria was by focusing absolutely on "science" consistent with their preferred narrative. Some critical thinking and due diligigence was all that was needed. And part of that due diligence should have been a skeptical look at the "scientists" leading the charge. They do not have a good track record of sober, grown-up accurate analysis and prediction for things like this virus. Look no further than Fauci - as late as 2/29 he was on record saying COVID was nothing Americans needed to worry about, and if you're going to worry about something, worry about the flu - it's a real killer. So why would you begin to lockdown the country 2 weeks later based on his advice?
I never bought into the hysteria. I wasn't alone. And I'm not some super duper genius. I just have a healthy level of skepticism for anybody that's selling something so hard (we're all going to die!!!) when they never bother answering some real basic/obvious questions that the whole thing hinges on. And the experts never answered/discussed these things, and still aren't.
Take the "debate" today. It's asinine. Anybody that thinks it's even a possibility to keep the lockdown in place until the virus is contained is being a simpleton. Never mind if it makes any sense, it's literally an impossibility.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 4:18 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 4:26 am to CelticDog
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they are personally invested in the pussy grabber.
You may have to modify this epithet -
people are going to be confused about whether you are talking about some private 'locker room talk" phrase related to how many Hollywood starlets will allow you to do what you want with them on their way up the entertainment ladder. And about whom no evidence has ever surfaced that he actually DID anything like that at all.
OR
are you talking about a now senile ex-senator who ACTUALLY sexually assaulted one of his female staff, after he had been sexually harassing her by unwanted touches and smelling of hair. And by assault we mean ACTUALLY GRABBING HER PUSSY and INSERTING FINGERS INTO HER VAGINA. A person who complained at the time and sought help from the senate leadership - who ignored her.
Which of these two 'pussy grabbers' might you be referring to????
Yeah - I hope the REAL 'pussy grabber' somehow retains his nomination shoo-in and gets absolutely destroyed in the election - someone who will rank behind Mondale in electoral results. And I hope the party who propped him up all these years becomes a pariah to the extent they have to disband and reorganize along the lines of an America-centric platform.
continue with the 'pussy grabber' insults = PLEASE!!!
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:34 am to NIH
You could hand in your citizenship and mover to Russia if that makes you feel better.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 5:50 am to NIH
I believe he's doing solid job.
No pretending.
No pretending.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:41 am to NIH
I’m not sure why this post is getting downvotes? From the federal level all the way to the county level, from Democrat to Republican, this entire situation has been totally fricked and 90% of them got it wrong. That includes the POTUS and his advisory team. We’ve been fricked.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:45 am to NIH
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Now, he’s letting his guidelines be trampled on by every Democrat in charge of a city or state.
I look at it more as, he’s giving them all the rope they need.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 6:46 am to CelticDog
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they are personally invested in the pussy grabber. they individually need to defend him.
its going to be a relief for everyone when he is stomped in the election.
for weeks after the inaugural these dudes will be exchanging emails about mail in voting in Alaska.
yOu ArE nOt BrIgHt, OtTo.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 7:19 am to ChineseBandit58
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1. Realize that Dems are Dems, the press is the press, and no matter what I do or don't do, they're going to pillory and lampoon me because they hate me in a comically irrational way. So the last consideration in all of this is what a Dem politician or the press thinks/says.
Trump is just as responsible for the Democrat / Media / POTUS playground nonsense as anyone. If he would let shite go it would be better, but he can't do that and somehow he gets a free pass on it from his supporters who think he can do no wrong. Poor Trump... always attacked. Nevermind that he has had insulting nicknames for his political opponents since before he was even the Republican nominee.
I mean, if an SEC football coach (Saban, Orgeron, whoever) is walking off the field after a game and some opposing fan talks shite to him and he replies back and it causes a scene, that's the coach's fault. It doesn't matter that someone else started it because he should have been professional enough to be above it and just ignore it.
Trump can't do that.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:03 am to NIH
Some of it isn’t his fault at all
Getting false information from China contributed to a lot of this
But the bickering back and forth with the states isn’t a good look
He has been just as bad politicizing this as the Democrats
Getting false information from China contributed to a lot of this
But the bickering back and forth with the states isn’t a good look
He has been just as bad politicizing this as the Democrats
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:10 am to NIH
4 more years. Melt bitch
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:22 am to NIH
The experts advising him downplayed it early, then overhyped it, only to land where we are now. I have no issue with dem governors playing political games. It’s good for conservatism
He’s just listening to his advisors as he should. Who tf is he to know better?
It’s pretty weak to criticize with the benefit of hindsight
He’s just listening to his advisors as he should. Who tf is he to know better?
It’s pretty weak to criticize with the benefit of hindsight
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:23 am to Globetrotter747
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Trump is just as responsible for the Democrat / Media / POTUS playground nonsense as anyone.
They always bolster and cover for every Dem. Look no further than the relative silence about the Biden sexual assault allegations.
They always bully the Republican into a corner.
Not Trump. "I can't spare this man; he fights."
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