re: Are Kentucky and Louisiana A Pattern?

How did that thinking work out for you in 2016? Governors are generally elected by the cities. Cities are notoriously filled with liberals. A presidential election is a whole different animal .

It fires up the opposition

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These two Democrat governors are socially conservative and fiscally moderate

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You got one part right. JBE is not fiscally moderate. Highest taxed state in the country. There is nothing fiscal about that.

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I'm no JBE fan but we aren't the highest taxed state baw

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We have the highest state and local sales tax in the country. Per capita, we are one of the highest taxed states in the country.

So you’re telling me deep red states have the highest sales taxes?

The top four are
Louisiana
Tennessee
Arkansas
Alabama

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We have the highest state and local sales tax in the country. Per capita, we are one of the highest taxed states in the country.

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Sales tax is only one form of taxation though. We are 24th in overall tax burden, which is still too high based on what we are getting in return.

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Rispone got over 200k more votes than Vitter did. But Edwards got 100k more than he did last time.

KY race had an extremely unpopular incumbent gop governor who was down 20 points in the polls before trump rallied for him. He almost won

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I don't think so. Voters are more apt to vote for "people" vs. "party" in state elections. I think it was a combination of the Democrats running candidate who put of the facade of being "moderate" (and I think they somewhat are on some social issues) and the R's running uninspiring candidates. Democrat voters, by and large, are going to vote for the person with the "D" next to his/her name, without fail. Conservative voters are more apt to cut off their nose to spite their face because they don't think the R candidate is "conservative enough" or they "don't like his/her morals", etc. Knowing that, giving those disgruntled Republican voters a Democrat that can spout off some "conservative" principles (love for military; pro-life; pro-2nd Amendment) is an avenue for success.

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This! The only pattern here is democrats will vote straight down the party line. And Republicans will vote based on how they feel about the candidate.

Rispone was not a likeable candidate because of the attack ads against Abraham, and because he wouldn't give specifics about his plans. He would bitch about how bad the state was in several categories, but didn't offer any solutions other than he likes Trump and LSU would fire the water boy.

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You are stupid.

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Take the log out of your eye before the speck out of the others eye...

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Bevan

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Bevin

Cause do not mean causality, keep that in mind before you respond without real comprehension. I have been around KY politics long before you were born and here is the truth...

KY voters historically are registered Democrats but are fiscally conservative and generally moderates. In the old days they were called DixieCrats and in the era before they were Democratic - Republicans when they were part of the same party against the Federalist. Voter turnout was around 1.4 million in this election and allowed the Democrat to win. Under 1 million turnout and the R's win, closer to 2 million and the D's win. It is really just that simple.

While you would like to simplify Bevin or Trump because the talking heads choose to do so, it does not make it so. Because of Al Gore, the voters in the state stopped showing up to vote and the Republicans benefitted by getting higher percentages to win elections. When Bevin won the first election the Democratic candidate was very weak and turnout was low. This election a fairly weak Democrat ran against a carpetbagger Republican and it was close.

The next cycle will be more of the same as the Turtle is loathed in the state more than Bevin was but so far they view the Democratic opponent as a carpetbagger as well so if turnout is light, the Turtle wins and if turnout is high, the carpetbagger wins. As much as Trump's ego would like to believe he controls the destiny of KY, it really is about what gets people to the polls.

About half the voting in the state is urban (Lexington / Louisville / Cincinnati - via Northern KY) and the other half is rural. The rural counties in Eastern KY flipping Democrat was due to Rocky Adkins (moderate and respected local politician) campaigning for the Democratic governor than the governor campaigning for himself. 2 of the 3 Republican counties in Northern KY flipped as Amy McGrath grew up there and turnout was high. Neither candidate for governor or Trump had anything to do with this outcome.

Next year McGrath will take on the Turtle, and if Northern KY flips for her like it did this election, she will win. neither the POTUS or Governors office will win or lose the election for the Senate.

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Trump turned what could have been a laugher into a tight race that only turned because of HUGE GOTV efforts by the Gimmiedats and, like KY, the GOP holds every other statewide office w/ a supermajority in the legislature.

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Stop listening to the blowhards at the national level and actually understand what goes on at the local level if you want to understand how politics in the state actually work. Bevins raised taxes as a Republican and he got voted out, really pretty simple. Bush Sr did the same thing and Clinton took the state for the next 2 cycles. No matter what Trump "thinks" he did to help Bevin, he did not offer correct tax advice to secure Bevin's the second term.

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It’s tough to beat Santa Claus.

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Eagles fans disagree, they would whip Santa Claus arse if given the chance.

They booed Santa and threw snowballs at him LINK