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re: Appeals court calls Trump administration's defiance over mistakenly deported man shocking.

Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:45 pm to
Posted by Nosevens
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:45 pm to
How is it cherry picking when the SC specifically judged on this case. It was 9-0 that said a citizen of another country illegally in this country who is a member of a terrorist organization has no legal authority to be here ?
Posted by Branson
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:46 pm to
Bingo
Posted by dgnx6
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:47 pm to
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I’m not one who forgets the day the music died with that travesty of police state abuse.



Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)



The Supreme Court has acknowledged that the executive branch has more latitude in areas that fall within its specific domain.





Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:47 pm to
What do they want? Trump to order Delta Force to invade a sovereign country, break into their prison and rescue him?


The foreign leader already has said he’d not releasing him.
Posted by ole man
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:49 pm to
The liberal downvoter doesn’t like truth but that who they are
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:49 pm to
You bolded the wrong part dumbass. Why?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:53 pm to
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Maybe I’m reading you wrong, and if so I apologize right here and now. But even if so, there are clearly numerous others who’ve taken that position. Which sure seems awfully dramatic.


Thanks for the respectful tone. This is a complex issue. Abrego Garcia is not the least important, noble, or worthy of being in America.

HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEPORTED IN 2019, under Trump 1 to a third country OR the hold should have been dissolved because Abrego Garcia was no longer under threat in El Salvador.

It's worth noting that Steven Miller's compelling argument re deportation under the Alien Enemies Act is irrelevant. The DOJ has had ample time to amend their pleadings to allege that Abrego Garcia was deported under the AEA. For some reason, DOJ chose not to amend their pleadings.

What's unusual about this case is the government's defense: we made a mistake; while Abrego Garcia should have been deported, he shouldn't have been deported to El Salvador because of the 2019 Trump Immigration Judge's order specifically barring his deportation to El Salvador (see affidavit of ICE Field Director); we have been successful in putting Abrego Garcia beyond the jurisdiction of American courts, so we can't be ordered to correct that mistake.

So, if removal by mistake has no remedy, the Executive can just claim "good faith mistake" in removing ANYONE. For instance, "Our agents made a good faith mistake in deporting THIS citizen named Juan Sanchez to El Salvador, we really meant to deport THAT guy named Juan Sanchez who is an Abrego-Garcia-level scumbag illegal immigrant. Sorry about that, but it's out of our hands."...will be a successful argument by the Executive in all future cases.

When it comes down to it, this has probably always been the case. We've just never had an Administration ballsy enough to assert this. I'm not even saying it's necessarily a bad thing. Thanks to Biden, we have a MASSIVE illegal immigrant problem that can only be solved by novel means. I'm just noting what an unusual situation this is. [Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.]

This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 5:12 pm
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:57 pm to
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Not if the intruder refuses to leave after being asked to do so twice and law enforcement doesn’t remove the intruder


I don't care if you shoot the guy. I'm just pointing out the difference between residency and citizenship.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:58 pm to
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People are so bored with their pathetic lives they are rallying support for illegal criminal gang members to defy Trump

Democrats are a piece of work, but I’ll hand it to them, their mission knows no bounds and stick together through all the insanity.


They did this same shite for that Khashoggi dude.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 4:59 pm to
God I love it so much that they want to die in this hill.

America is watching
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:06 pm to
You're entitled to your opinion, but that's not even remotely what the Supreme Court held in this case. Read the decision. They unanimously held that Abrego Garcia was illegally deported to El Salvador.

They weren't asked to rule on whether he could be deported generally. I doubt there would have been a problem with that. The Supreme Court tipped their hand by expressing doubt about whether courts could force the Executive to do ANYTHING relating to foreign policy. My guess is that the Administration will ultimately prevail on those grounds...which is great...Abrego Garcia is an illegal alien who shouldn't be in the US.

This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 5:18 pm
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:06 pm to
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Sorry about that, but it's out of our hands


But this is actually the case. Especially where the person was returned to his own country, which is an often overlooked aspect of this situation.

The idea that France or Sweden could order the United States to release one of our own citizens from an American jail is silly on its face.

Yet that is what is being asked here.

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9208 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:15 pm to
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Yet that is what is being asked here.


I agree with you completely. It's kind of funny. The media is only freaked out by the awesome power of the Presidency if it's in Trump's hands.

Now, when Obama executes via drone strike an American-citizen teenager without a warrant that's (D)different.
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:18 pm to
That should be obvious to anyone who doesn’t have their head up their arse
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:19 pm to
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Now, when Obama executes via drone strike an American-citizen teenager without a warrant that's (D)different.


They;ve absolutely blown this entire thing out of proportion.

But they are a very dramatic people.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:25 pm to
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They;ve absolutely blown this entire thing out of proportion.


You don't have to write a brief, but why do you think it was overblown?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:26 pm to
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You don't have to write a brief, but why do you think it was overblown?


Its one man in a sea of thousands, he's got a questionable background and there is very little benefit to dying on this hill. The energy and time spent on it to make a political point is ridiculous. But we are now a talking point society, I guess.

If they win, what do they get?
Posted by minister of truth
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:29 pm to
It’s an example of why the Democratic Party Is decreasing in numbers down to it core constituency which is more progressive and authoritative than the traditional liberal

Edit: radical would probably be a better term than progressive
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 5:32 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:31 pm to
They latch onto symbolic events to rally support. Its so pathetic.


In their minds this is a civil rights stand, in the eyes of a normal person, its histrionics.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9208 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 5:31 pm to
Thanks for the reply. I'm SUPER old school re extra-Constitutional military actions. So, that wasn't just a talking point to me.
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