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re: American Health Care Act (Obamacare Replacement) introduced
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:12 pm to JabarkusRussell
Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:12 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Do those on Obamacare that are below the poverty line
Below the poverty line would be on Medicaid, not ACA exchanges. This was true pre-ACA.
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 7:18 pm to tagatose
I don't care that the dims won't let a repeal go through.
Let's put the repeal bill in their hands and watch them squirm.
The next election cycle would be even more brutal for them.
Let's put the repeal bill in their hands and watch them squirm.
The next election cycle would be even more brutal for them.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 9:24 pm to BamaAtl
So do those on Medicaid have copays?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:07 pm to DyeHardDylan
This bill is a sacrificial lamb
ETA: Rand Paul saves the day or bust
ETA: Rand Paul saves the day or bust
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:59 pm to DyeHardDylan
Both sides are going to piss and moan about it one way or another. Compromise is needed. I read the bill and I believe it is a pretty decent compromise. People need to chill. The mandate is going away.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:26 pm to Ingloriousbastard
Trumpcare is DOA. Sad! Low Energy plan!
Posted on 3/8/17 at 5:48 am to JoeHackett
It is essentially, ObamaCare without a soul.
Only Ryan and House Republicans could concoct such a monstrosity.
Getting rid of the "mandate" will further lead the bill into insolvency and destabilize the whole thing.
Only Ryan and House Republicans could concoct such a monstrosity.
Getting rid of the "mandate" will further lead the bill into insolvency and destabilize the whole thing.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 7:06 am to cahoots
Who voted this clown into the presidency?
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:21 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The republicrats are both big government. They just disagree on what the big government will be.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 9:55 am to DyeHardDylan
Any chance there is gamesmanship or strategy with the republican split on the new plan? Democrats say we better pass this as this is the best we are going to get. Then bill passes? Everyone thinks they won?
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:17 am to DyeHardDylan
My family has been crushed by Obamacare, so this bill has things I like and things I don't like.
Without getting too in-depth, I like that it should allow health insurance to be sold across state lines and that it promotes free market competition. I like that it eliminates many of the mandates and limits of what plans that insurance companies can offer, which should allow people to find a plan that actually fits them. I like that the penalty for not purchasing insurance is gone.
I don't like the tax credits thing, as it seems to be a lot like the subsidies, just under a different name. It looks like insurance providers will also still have to charge the same amount to everyone that is on the same plan, even if some of them draw out more than they pay in, which is one of the big reasons that premiums skyrocket.
It's better than Obamacare, so it's a step in the right direction. It still has fundamental cracks that will cause it to not succeed, so it needs work. At least I can hope that we will eventually get some relief.
Without getting too in-depth, I like that it should allow health insurance to be sold across state lines and that it promotes free market competition. I like that it eliminates many of the mandates and limits of what plans that insurance companies can offer, which should allow people to find a plan that actually fits them. I like that the penalty for not purchasing insurance is gone.
I don't like the tax credits thing, as it seems to be a lot like the subsidies, just under a different name. It looks like insurance providers will also still have to charge the same amount to everyone that is on the same plan, even if some of them draw out more than they pay in, which is one of the big reasons that premiums skyrocket.
It's better than Obamacare, so it's a step in the right direction. It still has fundamental cracks that will cause it to not succeed, so it needs work. At least I can hope that we will eventually get some relief.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 10:19 am
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:31 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Roll Ravens
you missed where it doubles the tax deductions for health insurance companies salaries for CEOs from 500K to $ 1 million, and best of all, worst of all, lets health insurance companies claim deduction (your US treasury income) for giving away unlimited arbitrary bonuses to CEOs.
you missed where it doubles the tax deductions for health insurance companies salaries for CEOs from 500K to $ 1 million, and best of all, worst of all, lets health insurance companies claim deduction (your US treasury income) for giving away unlimited arbitrary bonuses to CEOs.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:36 am to CelticDog
I would just like affordable healthcare ... our premium for a family of 5 with an individual policy (we are both self employed) and a $5600 deductible is more than $900 per month ... that's more than our house note.
Coverage is great once we meet the ded which we haven't often and yeah for being healthy. Nonsmokers, male age 47, female age 47, not overweight for what that is worth to the premium.
Coverage is great once we meet the ded which we haven't often and yeah for being healthy. Nonsmokers, male age 47, female age 47, not overweight for what that is worth to the premium.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:37 am to CelticDog
quote:
you missed where it doubles the tax deductions for health insurance companies salaries for CEOs from 500K to $ 1 million, and best of all, worst of all, lets health insurance companies claim deduction (your US treasury income) for giving away unlimited arbitrary bonuses to CEOs.
What section of the bill is this in? Care to post that part of the bill, verbatim?
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:22 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:
I like that it should allow health insurance to be sold across state lines and that it promotes free market competition.
That is not in the bill (despite Trump mentioning that as a solution several times while campaigning.
quote:
It looks like insurance providers will also still have to charge the same amount to everyone that is on the same plan
Under Obamacare, older people couldn't be charged more than 3 times the price for younger, healthier people for the same plan. That ratio is being raised 5:1.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:24 pm to tiger91
Our individual BC/BS policy through our small business was going to go from $1200 to $1600 per month. I started a new career with a company that provides insurance. I'll save my family $1200 per month in premiums.
Unfortunately, the Ryan/Trump plan looks like more of the same.
Unfortunately, the Ryan/Trump plan looks like more of the same.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 2:58 pm to DyeHardDylan
The Age Tax in the Trumpcare bill is starting to get hit hard by the AARP.
Posted on 3/8/17 at 3:14 pm to montanagator
And it is the most bizarre idea I heard floated from Republicans since I first heard about it back in November.
From a political perspective that is.
It makes the biggest losers in this whole bill the older middle income working class people who aren't part of a big corporation with employer coverage. They get to go from paying 3x to 5x the rate.
Why do this? You piss off one of your strongest constituencies that includes a large population of people that just put Trump in office.
It would be like Bernie Sanders winning and telling youth voters he is gonna propose laws that raise college tuition and increase interest on student loan debt to give billionaires a tax break.
From a political perspective that is.
It makes the biggest losers in this whole bill the older middle income working class people who aren't part of a big corporation with employer coverage. They get to go from paying 3x to 5x the rate.
Why do this? You piss off one of your strongest constituencies that includes a large population of people that just put Trump in office.
It would be like Bernie Sanders winning and telling youth voters he is gonna propose laws that raise college tuition and increase interest on student loan debt to give billionaires a tax break.
This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 8:09 pm to tarzana
Huckabee summed it up tonight..."you'll know what you ate after you pass it tomorrow".
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:00 pm to DyeHardDylan
Can we just change the title of the thread to RINOcare?
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