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Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:20 am to Azkiger
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Smash Baals (twitter link) calls this a "new children's show".
It's rated TV-MA. Someone needs to question their parenting methods.
And yet its a Saturday morning cartoon looking show. Clearly for adults...
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:28 am to Squirrelmeister
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You see, for the first 20 years or so of Marcion’s spreading his NT he was in high regard to the Church of Rome and made substantial donations. When Markion started preaching that Jesus was the son of God, and that the Hebrew god of the Old Testament was an evil and ignorant creator god called the “Demiurge”, he was kicked out of Rome (Rome later excommunicated Markion after his death).
All of these motherfriggers were making up shite to fleece more and more people. ALL of them.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:29 am to anc
This is why the muslims are fiercely protective of their religion. We may sometimes be horrified by their methods, but you have to admit that they wouldn't put up with this shite.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:35 am to Squirrelmeister
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Of course you do realize the serpent in Genesis was… just a serpent, that corrected Yahweh Elohim’s lie that Adam would die the very day should he eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge.
Anyhow…
They died spiritually instantly. And that's not cherry picking.
The bible uses life and death in the context of spirituality constantly. Jesus being the way the truth and the life, baptism symbolizing death in sin and being raised in newness of life, to be a Christian is dying in sin.
Luke 9:23. If you want to follow Him, you will have to die to self daily, and by dying, you actually live. Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live”
Can we physically die daily?
Context is key.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:55 am to anc
That was… wierd
Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:17 am to Ricardo
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but you have to admit that they wouldn't put up with this shite.
They don't have to.
They have non-muslim idiots who will defend their religion despite not knowing anything about it.
See: "Aggie Hank".
Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:19 am to Lima Whiskey
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I don’t think they’re self aware enough to understand that the Christian West created the modern world
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:11 am to wackatimesthree
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I think there is a great deal of allegory in the Bible and that includes things that many people read as literal
People that lived 2000 years ago weren’t stupid. They understood parables and allegory. I’ll never understand how a grown arse man could ever believe things as far fetched as Noah’s ark or virgin births. You’d have to completely ignore everything your eyes have ever seen.
Makes no sense
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:14 am to anc
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Satan was the misunderstood hero.
What until you hear about Paradise Lost.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:30 am to oogabooga68
(quote) "The people pushing this want to undermine and destroy the Christian paradigm.")
Absolutely true. When Jesus made that infamous statement to Peter's answer, "upon this rock I will build my church", IMO, Jesus was not talking about Peter, but the IDEA of Jesus's divinity and absolute authority of the which Peter had just professed and affirmed. Peter was flawed as he had already denied Jesus three times. All people are innately flawed and vulnerable to inevitable corruption, relative to the corruping power. Therein, the absolute need for "Salvation" which comes outside of the person's own volition. "Not of works lest any should boast", but by Faith in Jesus's designated authority alone.
One either chooses to believe in Jesus's assertion to be THE Son of God, and on the 'right hand' of the Father, with the Holy Spirit of Truth being the other 1/3 of the Triune Godhead...or one denies such and invalidates both the salvational power of Jesus's promise and the vision that will become one's (subjective) Reality. Said Vision being implemented by innate moving power of "the Holy Spirit of Truth".
Re the "God lying" controversy, from God's pov, everything that can happen, already has. Einstein knew this. God merely signs off on it, from the all-knowing future, but is essentially bound to act within the constraints of "The Word" re respect for the 'free will' choices of His Children. "In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word WAS God". The idea that "God cannot lie" though His signing off on said lies means that God OWNS it, may seem contradictory from our pov, but is not from God's. Just like the "I create evil...". There is nothing that is not of God, in the 'big picture'. All things serve the Creational Impetus of Love. God created Humanity to share Love, not to glorify Itself, as though such were even possible.
If God were to create children with no option to chose the basic and core value of WHO/WHAT they most value/worship, but only the (coerced) option to choose God-worship over one's Self as the ultimate value, then God would be guilty of that which Truth accuses Lucifer/Satan of. Jesus clearly stated that "he that seeks to save himself, will lose their self..." That is inevitable death, absence from the sustaining and Creative Power of the Self-Aware, Spiritual Energy which is the basis for all that is or can be. And quite beyond the comprehension of any limited entity, Spiritual or Worldly. It's all about Ego.
It is the same "Word"/Truth that judges Lucifer and all who embrace and validate Lucifer's Idea to ultimate death, via 'the Singularity', and absence from God, that it is that limits God's own Creative action re Humanity. Indeed, it the ultimate paradox that Jesus - the mold of Self/Humanity (or any complex limited Entity) - is both 'limited' (by being only 1/3 of the Triune Godhead) but as well, being unlimited as THE 'Self' characteristic of said Spiritual Godhead.
"War in Heaven (philosophical absolutes as to ultimate Truth) and war on Earth" (God's "Elect" vs Lucifer's Idea Angels/self-worshipers who reject Jesus's divinity and salvation. Lucifer does not take being condemned to ultimate death lightly, albeit The Word which judges, also applies to even Jesus and The Father as well. Lucifer should blame and seek vengeance on The Word, and not God or Jesus, as all dance to the same music. "Every knee will bow" is not just whistling Dixie.
No matter, we will all be absorbed back into the Self Aware, Spiritual Energy Reservoir. That 'absorption' (Death) will either be (subjectively, re one's chosen belief) union and expansion beyond limitation with our, THE Loving God...or dissolution of the 'Self' to a degree of utter absence any 'self-awareness' (eternal death). Preferred perception becoming one's ultimate Reality. That is not God's choice, it is ours, even though God already knows and signs off on it (I.e., predestination).
I know.
Good luck or God speed, whichever fits one's (predestined from God's POV) chosen preference.
Absolutely true. When Jesus made that infamous statement to Peter's answer, "upon this rock I will build my church", IMO, Jesus was not talking about Peter, but the IDEA of Jesus's divinity and absolute authority of the which Peter had just professed and affirmed. Peter was flawed as he had already denied Jesus three times. All people are innately flawed and vulnerable to inevitable corruption, relative to the corruping power. Therein, the absolute need for "Salvation" which comes outside of the person's own volition. "Not of works lest any should boast", but by Faith in Jesus's designated authority alone.
One either chooses to believe in Jesus's assertion to be THE Son of God, and on the 'right hand' of the Father, with the Holy Spirit of Truth being the other 1/3 of the Triune Godhead...or one denies such and invalidates both the salvational power of Jesus's promise and the vision that will become one's (subjective) Reality. Said Vision being implemented by innate moving power of "the Holy Spirit of Truth".
Re the "God lying" controversy, from God's pov, everything that can happen, already has. Einstein knew this. God merely signs off on it, from the all-knowing future, but is essentially bound to act within the constraints of "The Word" re respect for the 'free will' choices of His Children. "In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word WAS God". The idea that "God cannot lie" though His signing off on said lies means that God OWNS it, may seem contradictory from our pov, but is not from God's. Just like the "I create evil...". There is nothing that is not of God, in the 'big picture'. All things serve the Creational Impetus of Love. God created Humanity to share Love, not to glorify Itself, as though such were even possible.
If God were to create children with no option to chose the basic and core value of WHO/WHAT they most value/worship, but only the (coerced) option to choose God-worship over one's Self as the ultimate value, then God would be guilty of that which Truth accuses Lucifer/Satan of. Jesus clearly stated that "he that seeks to save himself, will lose their self..." That is inevitable death, absence from the sustaining and Creative Power of the Self-Aware, Spiritual Energy which is the basis for all that is or can be. And quite beyond the comprehension of any limited entity, Spiritual or Worldly. It's all about Ego.
It is the same "Word"/Truth that judges Lucifer and all who embrace and validate Lucifer's Idea to ultimate death, via 'the Singularity', and absence from God, that it is that limits God's own Creative action re Humanity. Indeed, it the ultimate paradox that Jesus - the mold of Self/Humanity (or any complex limited Entity) - is both 'limited' (by being only 1/3 of the Triune Godhead) but as well, being unlimited as THE 'Self' characteristic of said Spiritual Godhead.
"War in Heaven (philosophical absolutes as to ultimate Truth) and war on Earth" (God's "Elect" vs Lucifer's Idea Angels/self-worshipers who reject Jesus's divinity and salvation. Lucifer does not take being condemned to ultimate death lightly, albeit The Word which judges, also applies to even Jesus and The Father as well. Lucifer should blame and seek vengeance on The Word, and not God or Jesus, as all dance to the same music. "Every knee will bow" is not just whistling Dixie.
No matter, we will all be absorbed back into the Self Aware, Spiritual Energy Reservoir. That 'absorption' (Death) will either be (subjectively, re one's chosen belief) union and expansion beyond limitation with our, THE Loving God...or dissolution of the 'Self' to a degree of utter absence any 'self-awareness' (eternal death). Preferred perception becoming one's ultimate Reality. That is not God's choice, it is ours, even though God already knows and signs off on it (I.e., predestination).
I know.
Good luck or God speed, whichever fits one's (predestined from God's POV) chosen preference.Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:55 am to Herooftheday
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And yet its a Saturday morning cartoon looking show.
"The adult cartoon looks cartoonish, clearly it's meant to corrupt the children!
Can you link me to you bitching about family guy's cartoonish presentation?
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:10 am to Azkiger
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Can you link me to you bitching about family guy's cartoonish presentation?
You're assuming I did.
This particular cartoon I'm bothered by.
Stay on topic.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:29 am to RCDfan1950
I appreciate your deep thoughts and much truth.
Though I am a bit confused about the (below) dissertation on what appears to be your presumptive destination of the human soul (correct me if I'm wrong).
(I'm not seeing any mention of either Heaven or Hell, or Judgement of God)
Are you saying WE create our own "reality" after we expire from this mortal coil (and NOT God)?
Though I am a bit confused about the (below) dissertation on what appears to be your presumptive destination of the human soul (correct me if I'm wrong).
(I'm not seeing any mention of either Heaven or Hell, or Judgement of God)
Are you saying WE create our own "reality" after we expire from this mortal coil (and NOT God)?
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No matter, we will all be absorbed back into the Self Aware, Spiritual Energy Reservoir.
That 'absorption' (Death) will either be (subjectively, re one's chosen belief) union and expansion beyond limitation with our, THE Loving God...or dissolution of the 'Self' to a degree of utter absence any 'self-awareness' (eternal death).
Preferred perception becoming one's ultimate Reality. That is not God's choice, it is ours, even though God already knows and signs off on it (I.e., predestination).
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:42 am to Herooftheday
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You're assuming I did.
This particular cartoon I'm bothered by.
Stay on topic.
Your argument was, despite its TV-MA rating, it's stylized as a children's cartoon and therefore can be criticized as if it were a children's cartoon.
I'm sorry that's not a standard you've held up until today, created just so you can get pissy about a cartoon whose only sin is rustling your religious sensibilities.
Grow up.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:59 am to Penrod
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All of these motherfriggers were making up shite to fleece more and more people. ALL of them.
When the returning royalty and nobility (priestly class) returns to Jerusalem from Babylon, they realized that the people who weren’t exiled and had remained there were still worshipping many gods other than Yahweh (El, Chemosh, Asherah, Nehushtan, Leviathan) and there were many “high places”, altars, and shrines all over the many cities and countrysides and mountain tops. What better way to get filthy rich without doing much work than to write Yahweh-inspired “ancient manuscripts” that says Yahweh wants only the zadokite (allegedly descended from Aaronite priests who were allegedly descended from Levitical priests) priests to manage sacrifices and he will only accept sacrifices at the one particular temple in Jerusalem. Priests didn’t have to do shite except slaughter some goats and pigeons, barbecue, drink wine, and collect 10-20% tithes of all offerings.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:01 am to Azkiger
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Christians think children that die young go to Heaven. That sounds good until you realize that 90+% of adults that are doomed for hell were at one point children. Had they died young they'd have gone to Heaven.
A drunk driver taking out a kid who would have grown up to be an unrepentant murderer? That kid is now in Heaven because someone chose to drink and drive.
You cannot think of this exact situation - what happens to children who die before getting a chance to hear and live the gospel, which is why they go to Heaven - in terrestrial terms limited by time, situation, etc.
The whole premise is much larger than
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A drunk driver taking out a kid who would have grown up to be an unrepentant murderer? That kid is now in Heaven because someone chose to drink and drive.
That's not how or why it works at all.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:10 am to Freauxzen
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That's not how or why it works at all.
That might not be the intent behind the way Christians think reality operates, but that is how it operates - at least according to the majority of Christians.
Children that die too young, it's believed, go to Heaven. Hundreds of millions of children, throughout human history, have died at an age that would land them in Heaven. Surely at least one of these children would have grown up to be unrepentant.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:13 am to Liberator
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(I'm not seeing any mention of either Heaven or Hell, or Judgement of God)
Are you saying WE create our own "reality" after we expire from this mortal coil (and NOT God)?
Sorry for the delayed response, L, as I stay very busy and have to often leave.
IMO, Heaven is expansion of our limitations and the union with a/the Loving God, per one's chosen validation of Belief. Hell is the validation of no-god Belief, and the feeling of the dissipation of Self.
Well, I have to go again. Sorry. Later.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:28 am to Herooftheday
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They died spiritually instantly. And that's not cherry picking
I think you are cherry picking. So if “die this very day” doesn’t mean dying this very day literally, but allegorically, what other parts of Genesis chapters 2-3 are allegorical versus literal? Is the serpent an allegory? Is creation of woman from Adam’s rib allegory?
I’ll be honest and tell you I believe the whole story is allegory and that none of that shite ever really happened. But - if you believe the serpent literally tricked Adam and Eve and if you think Eve was literally created from Adam’s rib, then you have a problem. The text literally says Yahweh Elohim said they would die the very day they ate from the forbidden fruit.
What it doesn’t say at all is that Adam and Eve “died spiritually”. You and other apologists fabricate what the text does not say in order to attempt to explain away the inherent problems in the Bible. You “twist” the Bible and then project that on others who are just plainly reading what the text literally says.
What none of you apologists understand is that for the Genesis writers, to have said “died spiritually” would have been redundant. In the myth, Yahweh blew into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life. The words used for “breath” could also translate as “wind” and “spirit” in English but they really had all the same meaning.
Try to take off you “Sunday school glasses” and go back in time to when the Torah was written (pieces date back to about 750BCE but attained its current form more or less in 500-400BCE).
Let me give you example. Look at a piece of Psalm 146:
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2I will praise the LORD as long as I live; I will sing praises to my God while I have my being. 3Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation. 4When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.
The word used for “breath” here is also the word for “spirit”. When the spirit or breath is no more, is dead, the person is physically dead and returns to earth as dust.
Here is another, Ecclesiastes 12:7:
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and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
When a man dies, he returns to the ground as dust and gives up his spirit. The word for “spirit” here is the exact same Hebrew word used in Psalm 146 translated as “breath”.
Ok last one… Genesis 6:3
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Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
It’s the same exact Hebrew word “Ruach” as before that can be translated to “breath”, “wind”, or “spirit” in English. In this passage there is a connection, no spirit, no being alive. Dead spirit, dead body. Get it?
Also check Matthew 27:50 to see what happened to the fellow when he lost his spirit.
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Context is key.
I agree. Actual real knowledge of Jewish history is also key, and basic knowledge of ancient Hebrew is important too. Knowledge of the Talmud and even modern Judaism is important as well.
I posted on thus “died spiritually” nonsense argument already in this very thread and posted a link to some Jewish Rabbinical sources who state that there is no afterlife in the Torah. The people who wrote the Torah believed dead was death, and that the breath of life (the spirit) was locked in to physical life, that if one’s spirit “died” they they were physically dead.
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