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re: Amazon Prime new cartoon retells the creation story
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:54 am to Liberator
Posted on 1/19/24 at 11:54 am to Liberator
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They [Adam & Eve] are the fruit, and they didn’t die in the day they ate the fruit.quote:
They certainly DID die that day.
Not according to Genesis.
Genesis 5:5
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Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.
The Jewish Theological Seminary of America thinks Yahweh lied. Who’s the hero?
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So yes...lay your "God Lied" cards on the table from Scripture -- Chapter, Verse.
Alright. I really think lying to Adam and Eve is the very best example of God’s lies, but here are other examples:
1 Kings 22:23
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Now therefore behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the LORD has declared disaster for you.”
Jeremiah 4:10
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Then I said, “Ah, Lord GOD, how completely You have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ while a sword is at our throats.”
Jeremiah 20:7
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You have deceived me, O LORD, and I was deceived. You have overcome me and prevailed. I am a laughingstock all day long; everyone mocks me.
Ezekiel 14:9
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And if the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
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Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:02 pm to Liberator
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warp the Truth
You can assert your beliefs to be “the Truth” with a capital “T”, but since you cannot prove your beliefs as factual based on evidence, your asserted “Truth” is a lie. You can say you believe in something, but to call it the “Truth” is a lie is you can’t back it up. And it can’t be backed up, because it is faith.
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You already are on record as deeming God the Creator as a Liar.
No I’m not. Again you misunderstand. I’m stating that the character in the Bible, which I do not believe to be “the truth”, does partake in lies and deception. It is stated right there in the Bible. I’m not even asserting that lying was good or bad, righteous or evil. The character of Yahweh in the myth though does lie and deceive (even if it is for a “good” purpose, like a little white lie).
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Are you also saying you concur with the Amazon Prime cartoon premise (that the ("Genesis chapters 2-3 that flip the good guys to bad guys and vice versa" -- is TRUTH?
Nope.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:15 pm to Old Money
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Spot on, that was me
Well, it was me as well, only I wasn't goth, I was a metal kid and it was King Diamond......
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:16 pm to Liberator
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WHY??
He/she/it is doing satan's bidding and cannot help but interject into any subject on Christianity, whether what it spouts is relevant or not...
The mere mention of Christianity is like nails on a chalkboard to this useful idiot...
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:34 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Not according to Genesis.
Genesis 5:5
You're being obtuse. If I told you don't introduce yourself to too much radiation or you'll die, I haven't lied if you didn't die that exact day because due to your actions of absorbing that radiation, it is inevitable that it will indeed kill you. You effectively are a dead man walking from that point forward.
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Alright. I really think lying to Adam and Eve is the very best example of God’s lies
This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 12:52 pm to JiminyCricket
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You're being obtuse. If I told you don't introduce yourself to too much radiation or you'll die, I haven't lied if you didn't die that exact day because due to your actions of absorbing that radiation, it is inevitable that it will indeed kill you. You effectively are a dead man walking from that point forward.
Ok. What if I said, “don't introduce yourself to too much radiation or you'll die that very day.”? That would be a lie, correct?
Let’s see what ole Yahweh Elohim said:
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16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Oh and the Hebrew word used for “day” is a literal day. So obviously you agree that God lied, right?
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:16 pm to Squirrelmeister
Nope. I don’t agree at all that God lied. And I still think you’re being obtuse.
You’re arguing semantics to try to score a “god lied” point but as I said earlier, this isn’t the smoking gun you’re attempting to make it.
You’re arguing semantics to try to score a “god lied” point but as I said earlier, this isn’t the smoking gun you’re attempting to make it.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:20 pm to oogabooga68
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Well, it was me as well, only I wasn't goth, I was a metal kid and it was King Diamond......
Awesome
You're clearly a little older than I am so thats why your description was so accurate. I met a "goth" girl who was about 22 and had no clue who Bauhaus were. I was stunned. Boomer music now I guess!
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:32 pm to anc
The idea that Satan is the good guy is not a new idea. I think this is one of the things Masons secretly teach.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:44 pm to Azkiger
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How can this be viewed as feminist?
"I'd know if I was being indoctrinated"
I don’t think you know what feminism is.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 1:45 pm to Rebel
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I take it you didn’t bother to listen.
I didn’t watch until the end but I watched a lot of it.
Lilith introduced evil to the world, according to the cartoon. How does that portray women in a positive light, let alone advocate for equal/fair treatment of women?
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:02 pm to JiminyCricket
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Nope. I don’t agree at all that God lied.
So God said he would die that very day he ate the fruit, but Adam didn’t die that very day. But God didn’t lie. Got it.
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And I still think you’re being obtuse.
Wow! Look in a mirror and you will find obtuse.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:15 pm to Squirrelmeister
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So God said he would die that very day he ate the fruit, but Adam didn’t die that very day. But God didn’t lie. Got it.
If you only view it through the lens that suits your argument that Adam didn’t take his last breath immediately after eating the fruit, sure. You, however, omit a bounty of context as to what is actually meant by that phrase. From the moment Adam ate the fruit and onward, sin was in the world and thus at that moment, man was spiritually dead.
In another sense, Adam and Eve were no longer immortal and their bodies began the process of mortality or dying. In both of those senses, Adam and Eve did indeed die at the moment they disobeyed.
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Wow! Look in a mirror and you will find obtuse.
Listen, idk you. Idk why you seem to be in so many of these threads regarding Christianity. Perhaps it makes you feel superior to be “the intellect in the room.” Perhaps you have your own emotional baggage regarding God and faith. Either way, I suspect that you were aware of the points I made above and are merely trolling. It is of interest to me the reason in which you are so bent on commenting on so many Christian based threads. There must be a reason.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:19 pm to Squirrelmeister
Christians are professional mental gymnasts. They can explain away anything you say... They have been taught exactly what to say since birth.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:38 pm to rwestmore7
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They have been taught exactly what to say since birth.
Good grief. The “Christians are only Christians because they’ve been brainwashed and taught what to say” line is such a lazy take.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:48 pm to JiminyCricket
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If you only view it through the lens that suits your argument that Adam didn’t take his last breath immediately after eating the fruit, sure.
It’s very simple. Adam ate the fruit. In that very day he ate the fruit, he did not die. Assuming Yahweh Elohim knew eating the fruit wouldn’t kill Adam that day or at all, then Yahweh lied. Very simple. He could have lied for a noble reason. Regardless, a lie is a lie. To take a story that you believe literally happened, and then reject one part as literal and twist in a metaphorical explanation that isn’t in the text of the inspired word of “God” should be blasphemy.
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From the moment Adam ate the fruit and onward, sin was in the world and thus at that moment, man was spiritually dead.
Are you parroting what other people have told you, or did you find that in Genesis?
It doesn’t say anything about sin as to the reason for expelling Adam and Eve from Eden. It doesn’t say Adam died (spiritually). Here’s what it does say is the reason for expulsion.
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22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.
It says in the text the reason God expelled Adam was to prevent him from eating from the tree of life and becoming immortal. I didn’t have to fabricate and lie like many of you apologists do. It’s right there in Genesis. Had he eaten from the tree of life Adam would have lived forever, but he didn’t, and he subsequently died 930 years later.
The other thing about “dying spiritually” that I find so stupid is that for those scribes in Babylon writing the Jewish scriptures, the spirit was physical. What I mean by that is that by having spirit, one would have life. No spirit, no life. The spirit (wind, breath) was necessary for life, and if one lost their spirit/wind/breath they physically died. “Died spiritually” was a very physical real death.
What happened to Jesus (in the myth, not in reality) when he died on the cross?
Matthew 27:50
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And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
The argument of Adam “dying spiritually” is extremely weak, and it ignores their ancient ideas of what spirit and life and death were.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:26 pm to Squirrelmeister
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It’s very simple. Adam ate the fruit. In that very day he ate the fruit, he did not die. Assuming Yahweh Elohim knew eating the fruit wouldn’t kill Adam that day or at all, then Yahweh lied. Very simple. He could have lied for a noble reason. Regardless, a lie is a lie. To take a story that you believe literally happened, and then reject one part as literal and twist in a metaphorical explanation that isn’t in the text of the inspired word of “God” should be blasphemy.
It’s not a twist towards blasphemy at all. Death is consistently viewed in the Bible as a separation. Physical death is a separation from our physical body and spiritual death is the separation of our spirit from God. At the moment Adam and Eve disobeyed, they experienced separation from God or a death to the connection they had prior to the fall. This isn’t a twist at all, it’s consistent with the overarching message regarding sin and its effect on man’s relationship with God.
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Are you parroting what other people have told you, or did you find that in Genesis? It doesn’t say anything about sin as to the reason for expelling Adam and Eve from Eden. It doesn’t say Adam died (spiritually). Here’s what it does say is the reason for expulsion.
Nice attempt at a red herring. I didn’t make that case nor did I argue that point.
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22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. 24He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.
I honestly view this as a blessing. To be condemned to a life of physical immortality eternally separated from God would seem like a pretty awful existence.
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It says in the text the reason God expelled Adam was to prevent him from eating from the tree of life and becoming immortal. I didn’t have to fabricate and lie like many of you apologists do. It’s right there in Genesis. Had he eaten from the tree of life Adam would have lived forever, but he didn’t, and he subsequently died 930 years later. The other thing about “dying spiritually” that I find so stupid is that for those scribes in Babylon writing the Jewish scriptures, the spirit was physical. What I mean by that is that by having spirit, one would have life. No spirit, no life. The spirit (wind, breath) was necessary for life, and if one lost their spirit/wind/breath they physically died. “Died spiritually” was a very physical real death. What happened to Jesus (in the myth, not in reality) when he died on the cross? Matthew 27:50
So you introduced a red herring claiming I made an argument about the reasons Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden and then fuss at others for being dishonest? It’s pretty much abundantly clear that biblically, spirit and body are two different things.
Like I said before, there must be a reason you feel so strongly about Christianity. You’ve obviously been well read and have spent lots of time researching. I just can’t imagine why you feel so drawn to a topic you claim to view as a myth or fairytale.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:34 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Sure, nothing wrong it except for professional and academic work you’d use BCE and CE because it is the current universal standard.
Which is absolutely stupid. The calendar we use today, the Gregorian Calendar, was developed by the Catholic Church and remains the most accurate calendar yet devised by human hands. When academics use CE and BCE they are still reckoning from the same event in time as the Catholic Church was when they developed it.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:39 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Gotta love people who know nothing of the Bible throwing Biblical quotes, texts and stories as gotchas. They always prove they are the fool.
Feel free to point out the error.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 4:42 pm to BugAC
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Explain that.
God killed children, therefore he's a child killer. You worship that being, therefore you're worshiping a child killer.
Killing children, in any other circumstance, isn't tied to love or goodness or anything of the sort.
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